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Old 02.04.2012, 13:24
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Two of my dad's old friends died in this one.

And people wonder why if I ever go back I'm taking the train.
I'm so sorry for your and your dad's loss.
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Two of my dad's old friends died in this one.

And people wonder why if I ever go back I'm taking the train.
Really sorry to hear it Russkov.
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Re: 43 killed, 2 survive as Russian charter flight crashes

Sorry to hear that Russkov. This accident might be different, can't blame old Soviet era airplanes as it was a western built ATR72 regional prop.

Crashed 3 kms out after take off. One witness says that this was the only aircraft not to have de-iced prior to departure from Tyumen.

UT Air are one of the largest operators in Russia, they have a big mixed fleet of both western and Soviet machines and their helicopter division is one of the biggest in the world.

UT Air accident comment here.

No messing about with compensation claims or lawyers then .....?
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Two of my dad's old friends died in this one.

And people wonder why if I ever go back I'm taking the train.
My condolences to the loss to your father (and you) ! Such things are always very sad. And unfortunately, the maintanance standards for airplanes in Russia clearly are not what they should be.
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My condolences to the loss to your father (and you) ! Such things are always very sad. And unfortunately, the maintanance standards for airplanes in Russia clearly are not what they should be.
With all due respect Wolli, this one hardly looks like a maintenance issue. Whilst it is true that there are simply not enough covered hangars for indoor maintenance in all of the ex Soviet nations, a generalized statement about engineering practises brings no facts to the table nor does it offer a plausible explanation.
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the maintanance standards for airplanes in Russia clearly are not what they should be.
Waaay to sweeping a statement Wolli, how do you know this was a maintenance issue, not a mechanical failure or pilot error or a freak combination of factors to create a tragedy? Wait for the incident report before and it's findings, meantime sorry for your loss Russkov
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With all due respect Wolli, this one hardly looks like a maintenance issue. Whilst it is true that there are simply not enough covered hangars for indoor maintenance in all of the ex Soviet nations, a generalized statement about engineering practises brings no facts to the table nor does it offer a plausible explanation.
True for sure, but most accidents in the former Soviet Union ARE maintenance related. The reall truth will, if ever, only become known in a year or two
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Waaay to sweeping a statement Wolli, how do you know this was a maintenance issue, not a mechanical failure or pilot error or a freak combination of factors to create a tragedy? Wait for the incident report before and it's findings, meantime sorry for your loss Russkov
Again, the countries of the former USSR aviation-wise suffer from
- lack of good maintenance
- badly educated pilots
- lack of useful infrastructure
- too much alcohol in the blood of many pilots

"Mechanical failures" are a result of various things, and maintenance is the main topic. "Pilot's failure" is popular among investigators, particularily if the pilots are dead, as it terminates the problem "efficiently".

Some journalists in the West at times write about "too old airplanes", but the airplanes in the ex Soviet Union are not much older than those elsewhere in the world and good old "workhorses" like the Tu-154 and the IL-62 and farther back the Tu-124 and the IL-18 were/are GOOD airplanes. And in this case, we speak about the ATR-72, clearly an excellent and modern airplane and not crap at all
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Re: 43 killed, 2 survive as Russian charter flight crashes

And another Russian Jet has gone missing whilst doing a demonstration flight out of Indonesia...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18004097
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