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Old 03.10.2011, 14:20
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Yeah, he was so good that his plane exploded under till today unexplained circumstances.
I have a close relative that worked with him on a daily basis, and yes he was a far greater man than he was given credit for, and yes, that is likely why he was killed. That is the world we live in, which means choosing between greater and lesser evils until the populace is capable of electing and supporting competent leaders up and down the ranks. It is better not to judge, rather register what is real, what is not and make a wise path through life. What we have is what humans do, not what they conjure up in their heads.
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Well, no. Bombing civilans were war crimes back then as they are today. Yes, on both sides. ....................
So what?
They were happy to bomb civilians & did it so why not also bomb Hitler?
I do not see the relevance of "war crimes" in this discussion.
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Anwar Al-Awlaki Was this not an Illegal Murder?

Anwar Al-Awlaki's Death: Is America Any Safer?
www.huffingtonpost.com

He was not charged of any crime in the USA. He is an American citizen. They have not ever provided nor acknowledged he has helped in any actual attack against the USA or any citizens of the world, with the exception of using his words to inspire violence. Which he definitely did.

Is freedom of speech, which protects losers like the KKK and the Aryan Front to march up and down American streets, which almost always invokes a violent reaction, not free when it is made by a Muslim American?
That isn't even my base belief in what is wrong here. It's not like these kind of assassinations hasn't happened before by the US government in "secret." But it no more makes it right to kill any one, including an American living abroad right to freedom of speech protection under our Amendments.

So, is it official, don't say bad things about the USA, or we will blow you up? How does that make the USA a country that stands behind it's principles and rights, any different then say a country like China or Russia?

If we don't have a belief system we firmly stand behind, then we are not truly a system of Democracy and Justice.
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Re: Anwar Al-Awlaki Was this not an Illegal Murder?

Democracy, hypocrisy.
Threaten those that threaten us.
Kill all the other killers.
Protect our borders by crossing into yours.

It makes complete sense to me. The US are saying their version of evil is more acceptable than it's enemies. That one evil counteracting another is acceptable, and that two wrongs do make a right.
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Old 04.10.2011, 13:23
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Re: Anwar Al-Awlaki Was this not an Illegal Murder?

Who care's he's a muslim with a beard...
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Who care's he's a muslim with a beard...
Hooray for being a racist.

FYI, this guy was on multiple secret service hitlist including the cia, mi6 and a few othere.

Believe it or not, these type of ppl do not represent muslims. cuz i am one, all of my family are muslims and every muslim i know is againt alqaeda and what they do.

You can private msg me and ill give you facts that what they are doing is infact against everything a muslim believes in. But from your comment i dont think anything im gonna say will change your brainwashing ideas.
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Old 04.10.2011, 13:45
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Hooray for being a racist.

FYI, this guy was on multiple secret service hitlist including the cia, mi6 and a few othere.

Believe it or not, these type of ppl do not represent muslims. cuz i am one, all of my family are muslims and every muslim i know is againt alqaeda and what they do.

You can private msg me and ill give you facts that what they are doing is infact against everything a muslim believes in. But from your comment i dont think anything im gonna say will change your brainwashing ideas.
I think you'll find LD was being more than a little sarcastic with his post...
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Old 04.10.2011, 13:52
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Hooray for being a racist.

FYI, this guy was on multiple secret service hitlist including the cia, mi6 and a few othere.

Believe it or not, these type of ppl do not represent muslims. cuz i am one, all of my family are muslims and every muslim i know is againt alqaeda and what they do.

You can private msg me and ill give you facts that what they are doing is infact against everything a muslim believes in. But from your comment i dont think anything im gonna say will change your brainwashing ideas.
I believe he was being sarcastic as well.

As far as whether or not he is a muslim has little to do with the point. He first of all is an American, and should be held to the same rule of law as an American residing in the USA. For example when Americans go abroad and smoke a joint in Amsterdam and think they are exempt from prosection back in the US. What crime did he commit?
And also, those secret service lists aren't too secret if everyone knows all the details about them.
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Hooray for being a racist.
I must post a sarcasm WARNING with my future posts!
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Old 04.10.2011, 14:28
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I believe he was being sarcastic as well.

As far as whether or not he is a muslim has little to do with the point. He first of all is an American, and should be held to the same rule of law as an American residing in the USA. For example when Americans go abroad and smoke a joint in Amsterdam and think they are exempt from prosection back in the US. What crime did he commit?
And also, those secret service lists aren't too secret if everyone knows all the details about them.
About "when Americans go abroad and smoke a joint in Amsterdam and think they are exempt from prosection back in the US"

& your point is they are not exempt?
Certainly people have been prosecuted for under age sex that took place in foreign countries.
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I must post a sarcasm WARNING with my future posts!
Maybe you should put a sarcasm warning in your Name or Avatar as well
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Old 04.10.2011, 14:49
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About "when Americans go abroad and smoke a joint in Amsterdam and think they are exempt from prosection back in the US"

& your point is they are not exempt?
Certainly people have been prosecuted for under age sex that took place in foreign countries.
I am a bit confused...
But to try to answer you. No, they are not exempt. An American that goes abroad and commits an act that is a crime back in the US, can be held accountable in US courts. Locally, the country they did the act in, it may or may not be a crime, and the local government has the right to prosecute or not, accordingly.
But my point is, if an American is living abroad, then where he is dictated(I don't know if that is the best word) by the American rule of law, he is both obligated to obey it and be protected by it's rights granted to Americans.

Taking that a step further, I don't think America should be allowed to target foreigners based on the local laws of where they reside. Where non US citizens aren't guaranteed our rights under our laws, we should not use that absence of rights to be oppressive.

It should not be a system of "Democracy and Justice For all(meeting certain criteria)" Especially when we take it a step further to spread democracy around the world. It's like forcing Christianity on the "savages". It's Ok to kill savages, but once they become Christians, they are now brothers/sisters, and now it's a crime to kill them. Except of course if they use foul or inciting l language against the USA, which in that case, apparently you can execute them as well.
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Re: Anwar Al-Awlaki Was this not an Illegal Murder?

I suggest you google Raymond Davis and Pakistan. Was there any justice done.
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I suggest you google Raymond Davis and Pakistan. Was there any justice done.
What's the end outcome of that anyways?
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Re: Question for US expats on extra-judicial killings

Also, what happened to my Thread? I started my thread, and some how some one lumped it into this one? Is there a shortage of server space today at the Local or something?
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It always tickles me to see that faint light of understanding dawning in some folk's eyes, as they start to gain a modicum of insight into the activities that a Decadent Western Liberal Democracy can and do undertake on behalf of its Decadent Western Liberal Citizens; allowing said citizens to continue to remain part of a functioning Decadent Western Liberal Democracy, and hence have the ability to criticise openly and without fear of retribution said Decadent Western Liberal Democracy.
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Re: Question for US expats on extra-judicial killings

it didnt sound like being sarcastic to me at all. but O.K.
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Re: Question for US expats on extra-judicial killings

John Stewart has an interesting take on this.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mo...xrs=share_copy
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it didnt sound like being sarcastic to me at all. but O.K.
If that didn't sound sarcastic to you I don't know what does. Either you are usually surfing on websites with worse folks than here or you are.. well... stoned. (I hope you are not American as that would be surely an illegal state to be in - apparently even if you only smoke it in Switzerland...)
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If that didn't sound sarcastic to you I don't know what does. Either you are usually surfing on websites with worse folks than here or you are.. well... stoned. (I hope you are not American as that would be surely an illegal state to be in - apparently even if you only smoke it in Switzerland...)
It didnt, im not gonna lie and say it did sound sarcastic. if thats what he meant thats good for him and i acknowledged it. or do i have to apologize for miss understanding something?
I just felt offended cause of the comment and i replied accordingly, obviously ive been corrected and i accepted it. Its never a shame to acknowledge that you were wrong and thats what i did.

About being stoned, is that a failed attempt to go after me? hehe

I do smoke up, and im entitled to do what i want where i live, thats one thing i love about switzerland is that you really can do what you want according to their laws.
In some other western countries they have big talks about freedom of speech and all that nonsense when infact they do the complete opposite. The US is a good example of that. Patriot Act.

Im not an American and I dont think i would like to be one, not because i dont like Americans, i dont have any problem with the people of the united states, they are normal average people and i have alot of american friends even though i think they should try to strength their geography knowledge
but im not gonna lie to you and say i like their gov or support it. cause what the American gov does around the world and their history around the world makes them look bad. but Never blame the citizens of a country cause of bad choices their gov does or did.

Its the same with Jews and Israelis, the jews are not a problem in this world or to arabs like some ppl would like the world to think, and infact alot of them are great people who really do want and work for world peace, but the Zionists and their extremist actions/views is what most ppl have problem with, and by ppl i mean Americans, Europeans, arabs, israelis and jews as well.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion at the end and no one can take that away from you.

I do want to apologize though if my miss-understanding of his comment made you think im being aggressive or show some hate in any way from my side and if it took this convo off its topic.

tbh, im not a frequent Forum user and all this is kind of new to me. so bare with me even if i am using a username that might give you the wrong ideas about me

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