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Well, the country being run by the wealthy few is hardly a new thing, is it?

You really do need to get you educational system in order, don't you?

Yes but they created a republic, not sell it out. And Fu%k this "educational system". Its one of the main reasons most of Americans AND Britons cant find Scotland on a map.

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Bite the hand that feeds you, anyone?

I feed myself (self employed) thank you very much.
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Yes but they created a republic, not sell it out.
I'm sorry, your sentence doesn't make any sense. Nor does your understanding of history, but I'll let that pass...

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And Fu%k this "educational system". Its one of the main reasons most of Americans ... cant find Scotland on a map.
Well, yes. That's my point, really.

Is finding Scotland on a map important, though? Surely knowing a bit about your own country's history should be a greater priority?

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I feed myself (self employed) thank you very much.
And your customers - up there in Zurich - who feeds them?
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No, I don't know what every specific one is thinking. But from reading multiple news articles, seeing photographs of the banners being held up, etc. I can reasonably deduce their premises of wealth redistribution and fairness, both tired standards of the American Left and the "Less Fortunate"
Now I'm even more certain you don't know.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Wall-S...&asset=&ccode=
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Old 07.10.2011, 20:32
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I'm sorry, your sentence doesn't make any sense. Nor does your understanding of history, but I'll let that pass...

What on Gods green earth are you talking about? Please educate me.

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Some historians define the "Founding Fathers" to mean a larger group, including not only the Signers and the Framers but also all those who, whether as politicians, jurists, statesmen, soldiers, diplomats, or ordinary citizens, took part in winning American independence and creating the United States of America. (which was a Republic, not a democracy. Although its a democracy now)

Now the real reason for the American revolution. Currency, money and paying interest on it. (much like today) It was money, not taxes.

Ben Franklin- "The Colonies would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters, had it not been the poverty caused by the bad influence of the English bankers on the Parliament: which has caused in the Colonies hatred of England, and the Revolutionary War."

British historian John Twells- "The British Parliament took away from America its representative money, forbade any further issue of bills of credit, these bills ceasing to be legal tender, and ordered that all taxes should be paid in coins ... Ruin took place in these once flourishing Colonies . . . discontent became desperation, and reached a point . . . when human nature rises up and asserts itself."


America may have won the Revolutionary War, but it has since lost one of the main things it fought for: the freedom to create its own credit instead of having to beg for credit from private banks at a usurious cost.

And we see history repeating itself yet once again.


And why edit my original post when I called out Briton. You guys have some of the dumbest fu*ks on planet earth as well. We are much more related than you think. (or your too ashamed to admit) but we know the truth. ;-)
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What on Gods green earth are you talking about? Please educate me.
In nice short words: Your country has been run by the rich and powerful* mighty since the day it was founded.

So what's new?

Hang on! I know what's new: the internet! The internet gives the people somewhere they can have a good moan about it while nothing actually changes.

I'm backing the Bilderberg group. At least they keep me in work...

*too many syllables.
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Old 07.10.2011, 21:08
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Weren't all the Founding Fathers immensely rich landowners descended from well-to-do families with slaves and everything, or did I imagine that?
Define founding father's....
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In nice short words: Your country has been run by the rich and powerful* mighty since the day it was founded.

So what's new?

Hang on! I know what's new: the internet! The internet gives the people somewhere they can have a good moan about it while nothing actually changes.

I'm backing the Bilderberg group. At least they keep me in work...

*too many syllables.
Well no sh#t, when have the poor ever ruled anything. What's that quote again? The Kings of old have become governments, the Lords corporations and the common man is still slave to both" or something like that.
Look, the protests are not about rich vs poor. left vs right. Its about the greed, corruption, debt, wars, living in a police state, dissolution of our rights, TSA, Bill OReilly and Faux news. etc, etc. OR its in the stars, its the new age of Aquarius, out with the old and in with the new. The soon to come world revolutions are part of that process. Chaos and anarchy will only be temporary once the system crashes and resets. Or so says the astrologers.
And I am glad that you work for a group that kills thousands of innocent lives and reaks havoc on the rest of the world. Good for you.
And thanks for using short words. I thought you might be one of those who try to win a Pulitzer on internet forums. And not just any forum, the dumpster of all forums, the politics thread.

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Re: Occupy America

Some people might be taking this as a joke now (as they always did before), but this is not ordinary protests nor demonstrations....this is a global civil unrest and it might hit you next door before you can even realize it....so join it or just refrain from going against it, cause this is the only thing that will exist in the future...everything else will just vanish.

Take my words for granted or call me insane, it doesn't really matter to me....but i assure you this time, unexpected things will happen
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So, just like 1848, 1860, 1878, 1908, 1913, 1929, 1933... and so on?

Really, just get a history book.
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So, just like 1848, 1860, 1878, 1908, 1913, 1929, 1933... and so on?

Really, just get a history book.

Whats your problem? Are you mad at yourself. Need to belittle others who refuse to be a parasite. Have I not shown enough history here or should I post the entire history of world governments and revolutions to prove that I read a history book once upon a time. Stop being a douchbag troll.
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Whats your problem? Are you mad at yourself. Need to belittle others who refuse to be a parasite. Have I not shown enough history here or should I post the entire history of world governments and revolutions to prove that I read a history book once upon a time. Stop being a douchbag troll.
You can call me as many names as you want. You'll still be pissing in the wind with your protests and 'awareness spreading' on the internet.

The world is - and always has been - run by the rich and powerful. Even if you topple one set, they'll just be replaced by another set - just as your slave-owning Founding Fathers replaced the British aristocrats who had gone before them.

Now, if you're serious about change, you need to actually do something, not just rant about it on the internet or annoy the police in Zurich. Go to America and destroy Wall Street. Bring the whole edifice crashing down. But make sure you know what you want to replace it with.

Otherwise you're just another internet windbag like the rest of us.
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  • Some people somewhere are a bit unhappy about something.

  • These unhappy people think that someone ought to do something about this something that's making them unhappy.

  • Some of these unhappy people are whining a bit louder than usual.

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Now I'm even more certain you don't know.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Wall-S...&asset=&ccode=

That story just makes me believe more that I know what they're talking about. Many protesters think their employment problems are somebody else's fault. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't- I would opine that the Obama Administration has created so much uncertainty in the business market that companies are reluctant to hire. These demonstrators follow the demagoguery of the rich (read the first paragraph- "economic inequality," "...protect corporate America at the expense of the...middle class"), instead of following the example of the successful.

They complain of not having enough, when they often have too much of many things. They blame the corporations who create the jobs, the same corporations into which many U.S. retirement plans are invested. They believe that the federal government should legislate, "economic equality," i.e. equality of outcome.

They don't realize that many of the problems the U.S. faces are due to the federal government trying to legislate economic equality (or the perception thereof) for decades. One-size-fits-all legislation from Washington D.C. might not work as well in Peoria, Illinois as it might in Sacramento, California, but it does keep power deeply in the pockets of Congress.

They don't realize that this very legislation they seek comprises an artificial constraint on the U.S. economic system. These constraints are rife with unintended consequences, most of which are bad.

How come we glorify a person who works hard in high school, gets a scholarship to a great college...and becomes a millionaire professional athlete, but we vilify the corporate CEO that does much the same thing? In and of themselves, who probably creates more jobs?
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You can call me as many names as you want. You'll still be pissing in the wind with your protests and 'awareness spreading' on the internet.

The world is - and always has been - run by the rich and powerful. Even if you topple one set, they'll just be replaced by another set - just as your slave-owning Founding Fathers replaced the British aristocrats who had gone before them.

Now, if you're serious about change, you need to actually do something, not just rant about it on the internet or annoy the police in Zurich. Go to America and destroy Wall Street. Bring the whole edifice crashing down. But make sure you know what you want to replace it with.

Otherwise you're just another internet windbag like the rest of us.

Don't worry I plan on it. I just hope starbucks is open so I can get my grande latte before the revolution, also I need to be home by 7:00 to give my son a bath and read him his bed-time story.
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I made a guess. If that is transparency for you, the USSR was completely transparent - everyone knew how it worked...
I think you're confusing transparency with accountability.

The USA and USSR were/are both transparent. But that doesn't/didn't make it easy to put them right.
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You can call me as many names as you want. You'll still be pissing in the wind with your protests and 'awareness spreading' on the internet.

The world is - and always has been - run by the rich and powerful. Even if you topple one set, they'll just be replaced by another set - just as your slave-owning Founding Fathers replaced the British aristocrats who had gone before them.
Well yes, and if you're lucky then the new lot could include you and your friends. That's why people support revolutions. Being in it to help the poor and oppressed is just romantic rationalisation.

You know, the ANC was run by rich Blacks with college degrees, not poor Blacks from Soweto. Lenin was an educated bourgeous himself but made himself the champion of the proletarian suckers who would help him throw out the other bourgeous types. The French Revolution was run by the lower aristocracy who were fed up with being trampled on by the upper aristocracy. Revolution is what happens when the guys at the top fail to control those one level below them. The guys at the bottom don't come into it.
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Re: Occupy America

I'm not sure the protestors are looking for violent revolution plunging the land into anarchy. It's a bit silly to compare it to the french revolution and other violent uprisings.

And I think the last thing they want is a bunch of violent protestors giving the poilce an excuse to crack down on everything and turning public opinion against them,
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