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Old 06.10.2011, 16:29
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I just have enough understanding of history to recognise that a kilo of semtex is more effective than a million placards.
When has that worked?
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That's pretty weird though, isn't it? I mean if you think about it, any mafia-style organization that can actually run the country ought to be powerful enough to elect their guy president, or at least make whoever does get elected keep his mouth shut. You'd also think they would be able to do something about all these truth-telling youtube channels.

Are 'they' that incompetent, and if so why should I or anyone else worry about them?
A bit OT, but I always wondered about this. Also, what I wonder is the following: every once in a while, someone comes out on Youtube or the news/newspapers or the English Forum with some sensationalist, conspiracy-theory story. I wonder: if it were true (i.e. the story tellers were actually reputable/credible/truly had insider information), wouldn't the "hidden powers" try to shut them up?

There is an excellent Italian writer, Roberto Saviano, who wrote a book about the mafia with specific details, facts, and names (they also made a movie of it). Well, he has to live in hidden locations, with security guards 24/7, and when he hosted a TV show last year, the amount of security required was huge. He said that he wished that, sometimes, he could walk around and simply go buy an ice cream, but, despite offers to relocate elsewhere, he refuses to leave Italy. He is only 30 years old.

My point (and personal opinion) with all these "conspiracy theories" is that, people who truly have the information and know what they are talking about will be very wary of going on Youtube without some adequate guarantee of protection, and otherwise will be shut up quickly. The rest of the people out there IMO think they live in a movie (or alternatively, smoke some very good stuff!)
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When has that worked?
You've heard of Israel? Kosova? The United States of America, for that matter?

Violence works in a way that dressing up like a zombie doesn't.
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Old 06.10.2011, 16:47
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You've heard of Israel? Kosova? The United States of America, for that matter?

Violence works in a way that dressing up like a zombie doesn't.
In near war torn states already close to violence.

In more peaceful times, it tends to turn the tide against the protestors. It might not be so dramatic but thinking it's ineffective is completely wrong.

These guys seems to be gaining more and more support. Sure they had their kooky guys, but they stayed and more come.
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These guys seems to be gaining more and more support. Sure they had their kooky guys, but they stayed and more come.
We'll see.
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Old 06.10.2011, 17:16
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That's pretty weird though, isn't it? I mean if you think about it, any mafia-style organization that can actually run the country ought to be powerful enough to elect their guy president, or at least make whoever does get elected keep his mouth shut. You'd also think they would be able to do something about all these truth-telling youtube channels.

Are 'they' that incompetent, and if so why should I or anyone else worry about them?

Why would they care if people know or not. They got want they wanted. Mission accomplished. What can the average man do to stop it? Nothing. You cant, its too late. How many wars are we in now?
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Why would they care if people know or not. They got want they wanted. Mission accomplished. What can the average man do to stop it? Nothing. You cant, its too late.
So why don't you just skin up and chill out?
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Old 06.10.2011, 17:19
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Why would they care if people know or not. They got want they wanted. Mission accomplished. What can the average man do to stop it? Nothing. You cant, its too late. How many wars are we in now?
Why it is a secret then?
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Old 06.10.2011, 17:23
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So why don't you just skin up and chill out?

I am chill. Thats why I live here and am looking forward to next powder day.
LET IT SNOW. (in the alps anyways)
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Old 06.10.2011, 17:24
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Why it is a secret then?

Its not. Its just hard to believe for some people.
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I said skin up, not... oh, never mind...
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Old 06.10.2011, 17:28
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Its not. Its just hard to believe for some people.
(its like trying to catch soap in the bath)

What isn't a secret? Name names......who runs the US?

Just as a reminder...this is what you wrote earlier about this "not secret thing"

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Who would run our country in a coup d'etat? Obviously the Commanding General but only temporarily. Names I cannot give as they are shadows within our system, but who have very famous last names. And since when is it our gov'ts responsibility to create jobs? Is that not for the private sector?

Not "too stupid" as I did not say that, just not informed. Or misinformed would be a better word.

Thats all I can say about that.
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Name names......who runs the US?
The Local.
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Old 06.10.2011, 17:35
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I'm not anti-protest. I'm anti-protest without clear purpose. If I'm not sure what they want, Obama probably doesn't either
I think there is one common sentiment...they are generally pissed off. Our elected leaders rather not lead. We can all argue, but we expect them to make things happen.
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Re: Occupy America

Saw this and thought of you all. (Explanation of what the protestors may want. In a nutshell: a reversal of the policies enacted since 1975 which mean that the top 1% take in 25% of the nation's income. Big earners aren't big spenders, it's not good for the economy for more of the money to be in the hands of those who will bank it rather than spend it.)

I'm not American, but I do feel for the people who are suffering through this. You can't always predict how your degree will pan out. My husband studied computer science. He graduated the year the dot.com bubble burst. No jobs, not his fault, not easily predictable for an 18-yr old choosing a course (or anyone else, apparently). We were lucky he had the skills to migrate into his current area after only one year of unemployment. Otherwise we might both be working at McDonalds.
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Interesting article about a farmer who tried to hire locally and ended up having to invite Mexicans to come and finish the job properly...
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Saw this and thought of you all. (Explanation of what the protestors may want. In a nutshell: a reversal of the policies enacted since 1975 which mean that the top 1% take in 25% of the nation's income. Big earners aren't big spenders, it's not good for the economy for more of the money to be in the hands of those who will bank it rather than spend it.)
Thanks for the link, quite interesting read actually. (I didn't realise that my "whats their point?" was such a widespread view.....I thought I was being unique and insightful )

However, just saying "How boring.....everybody is saying we haven't got a purpose" doesn't mean that they have one!

The "We are the 99%" is actually a pretty totemic rallying cry....having read the article, I understand it better. But isn't the argument a little simplistic. Saying that the top 1% are taking more of the wealth sounds terrible of course......"If top 1% hadn't ripped off trillions" is a great headline. But thats not really the point, is it?

If the smartest 1% of people (hypothetically) were taken into a room and said "Listen.....if you create jobs, create wealth and create value such that 95% of people in this country live 15 years longer than their grandparents and earn 10x what their grandparents earned, and had technology and personal transport that their grandparents could never dream of......if you do all that, we'll pay you 100x what you get paid today."....that sounds fair to me. Create wealth for the nation, and you will be rewarded handsomely.

Isn't that what has happened? The whole country is FAR more prosperous than ever before in history. Why shouldn't the guys and girls who made it happen have more than their fair share? If Jobs, Gates, Jack Welch etc etc create wealth for others.....send apes, ivory and peacocks to their doors as far as I'm concerned.

(By the way, although the article was interesting, I think...I THINK that the author may not be totally impartial. His book is called The 15 Biggest Lies About the Economy: And Everything else the Right Doesn't Want You to Know About Taxes, Jobs and Corporate America)
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If the smartest 1% of people (hypothetically) were taken into a room and said "Listen.....if you create jobs, create wealth and create value such that 95% of people in this country live 15 years longer than their grandparents and earn 10x what their grandparents earned, and had technology and personal transport that their grandparents could never dream of......if you do all that, we'll pay you 100x what you get paid today."....that sounds fair to me. Create wealth for the nation, and you will be rewarded handsomely.
I may be a bit commie on this, but that 1% don't make that wealth entirely by themselves, they don't make all their products by hand, they don't build their own factories, they don't drive their products to the market, they don't stock the shelves, they don't sell the end product to the consumer.

I'm all for competition but I think there's a growing feeling that some people are taking too big a slice of the cake, being rewarded for driving down the wages of the workforce in order to make their companies more competitive, but not sharing in that sacrifice, and not spreading the rewards.

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The biggest problem with the United States is the risible belief that "the pursuit of happiness" is a right.

Life is miserable, hard, painful and (mercifully) short.

Just because some bit of paper in a museum suggests otherwise doesn't make it so.
You've got the right to pursue happiness, but you don't have any right to be happy. They should've just left the original word, property.
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