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I think you chaps need to sort out your education system before you start on your finances...

Kinda goes hand-in-hand. U.S. government school diplomas are barely worth the paper they're printed on anymore. "Social Promotion" is the new craze. We unleash these ill-educated children into the world, and then we wonder why our finances are so screwed up...
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Thanks for the link, quite interesting read actually. (I didn't realise that my "whats their point?" was such a widespread view.....I thought I was being unique and insightful )

However, just saying "How boring.....everybody is saying we haven't got a purpose" doesn't mean that they have one!

The "We are the 99%" is actually a pretty totemic rallying cry....having read the article, I understand it better. But isn't the argument a little simplistic. Saying that the top 1% are taking more of the wealth sounds terrible of course......"If top 1% hadn't ripped off trillions" is a great headline. But thats not really the point, is it?

If the smartest 1% of people (hypothetically) were taken into a room and said "Listen.....if you create jobs, create wealth and create value such that 95% of people in this country live 15 years longer than their grandparents and earn 10x what their grandparents earned, and had technology and personal transport that their grandparents could never dream of......if you do all that, we'll pay you 100x what you get paid today."....that sounds fair to me. Create wealth for the nation, and you will be rewarded handsomely.

Isn't that what has happened? The whole country is FAR more prosperous than ever before in history. Why shouldn't the guys and girls who made it happen have more than their fair share? If Jobs, Gates, Jack Welch etc etc create wealth for others.....send apes, ivory and peacocks to their doors as far as I'm concerned.

(By the way, although the article was interesting, I think...I THINK that the author may not be totally impartial. His book is called The 15 Biggest Lies About the Economy: And Everything else the Right Doesn't Want You to Know About Taxes, Jobs and Corporate America)
You're welcome. I don't necessarily agree with the article, had some of the same thoughts as you myself. Just happened to see it and remembered people on here wondering what they actually wanted. And of course the author is biased. I think alternet is generally quite left-wing? Or is that just the bits I read.

However, today I came across a whole list of thirteen demands which I'm told are available on Occupy Wall Street's website. It won't load for me though - I can put up a summary if anyone's interested. I think it's a case of "aim for the stars and you might hit a bird" to be honest.
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You're welcome. I don't necessarily agree with the article, had some of the same thoughts as you myself. Just happened to see it and remembered people on here wondering what they actually wanted. And of course the author is biased. I think alternet is generally quite left-wing? Or is that just the bits I read.

However, today I came across a whole list of thirteen demands which I'm told are available on Occupy Wall Street's website. It won't load for me though - I can put up a summary if anyone's interested. I think it's a case of "aim for the stars and you might hit a bird" to be honest.
I think Ice Cube said it best "A bird in the hand, is worth more then a Bush."
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(its like trying to catch soap in the bath)

What isn't a secret? Name names......who runs the US?

Just as a reminder...this is what you wrote earlier about this "not secret thing"
Here are a few family names that owns almost everything. The Federal Reserve, dozens of investment banks and hundreds of corporations, the list of companies that they own is endless. Rothschilds. Rockefellers, Morgans, Lehmans, Solomons, Oppenheimers....ring a bell?
In D.C there is a saying that if David Rockefeller ever ran for president it would be a demotion. You can normally see him sitting on the right hand side of the current president during dinners, events, etc. His family motto is "competition is a sin" Thus they own their own competition.
In 1974 when Nixon resigned Ford had to pick a V.P and that was Nelson Rockefeller. Congress had a hearing to find out if his family wealth could be used to influence politics, here is a short list of the companies they found to be owned by the Rockefellers. The list has grown since then but they have been able to hide their ownership much better. (funds, groups, etc.)

The numbers represent the number of Rockefellers on the board of directors.

Industrials
Diamond Shamrock (RF&A)

Cerro (2)
General Motors (2)
Universal Oil Products (2)
Exxon (3)
Airco (2)
Chrysler (RF&A +1)
Int'l. Minerals & Chemicals (RF&A)
General Electric (2)
Cluett, Peabody (3)
Mobil Oil (3)
Harris-Intertype (2)
I. B. M. (RF&A +4)
Carborundum (2)
U.S. Steel (3)
Sybron (4)
RCA (2)
Texasgulf (2)
Eastman Kodak (2)
Gannett (3)
Union Carbide (2)
Ceco (2)
Caterpillar Tractor (2)

Xerox (4)

W.R. Grace (4)
Commercial Banking Companies
General Foods (5)

Singer (2)
First National City Corp. (3)
Ralston Purina (2)
Chase Manhattan Corp. (David + RF&A + 3)
Honeywell (2)
Manufacturers Hanover Corp. (5)
Bendix (RF&A +2)
Chemical New York Corp. (4)
Colgate-Palmolive (4)
Bankers Trust New York Corp. (4)
American Can (2)
First Chicago Corp. (3)
TRW (3)
Marine Midland Banks, Inc. (3)
National Steel (3)
Wells Fargo & Co. (2)
Uniroyal (4)
Charter New York Corp. (2)
Republic Steel (2)
Mellon National Corp. (3)
American Motors (RF&A)
First National Boston Corp. (3)
FMC (2)
National Detroit Corp. (5)
Warner-Lambert (2)
Bank of New York Co. (2)
Allied Chemical (2)
Cleveland Trust Co. (2)
U.S. Industries (3)
Detroitbank Corp. (3)
Raytheon (2)
Lincoln First Banks, Inc. (RF&A)
Eaton (2)
Southeast Banking Corp. (3)
Standard Oil, Ohio (2)

Teledyne (2)

Nabisco (2)
Life-Insurance Companies
Kennecott Copper (4)

Bristol-Myers (2)
Prudential (5)
Burroughs (3)
Metropolitan (5)
Illinois Central Inds. (2)
Equitable Life Assurance (3)
Studebaker-Worthington (2)
New York Life (2)
Amer. Smelting & Refining (2)
Massachusetts Mutual (2)
Eli Lilly (2)
Mutual of New York (5)
Corning Glass (3)
New England Mutual (2)
Emerson Electric (2)
Mutual Benefit (2)
Scott Paper (4)

Carrier (3)

Avco (2)

Hewlett-Packard (2)


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Diversified Financial Companies
Retailing Companies


American Express (6)
Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea (2)
Continental Corp. (4)
S. S. Kresge (RF&A +1)
C. I. T. Financial (RF&A)
Federated Department Stores (3)
Crum & Forster (RF&A)
Winn-Dixie Stores (2)

May Department Stores (2)

R. H. Macy (RF&A +4)
Utilities
Marriott (2)


American Tel. & Tel. (5)

Consolidated Edison (2)
Transportation Companies
Detroit Edison (3)


Pan American World Airways (4)

Eastern Air Lines (RF&A +3)


The following are sizeable companies not included in the listing by FORTUNE

U.S. Trust Co., New York (5)
Canadian Corporations
Fidelity Union Bankcorp, N.J. (4)

J. Henry Schroder Banking Corp. (3)
Investors Group (RF&A)
Bowery Savings Bank (3)
Royal Bank of Canada (3)
Greenwich Savings Bank (RF&A +3)
Investors Growth Fund (3)
Maccabees Mutual Life (2)
Investors Mutual of Canada (3)
Liberty Mutual Life (2)
Great-Western Life Assurance (4)
Reliance Insurance (2)
Montreal Trust Co. (2)

Canadian Pacific Ltd. (2)

International Nickel (2)
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I may be a bit commie opn this, but that 1% don't make that wealth entirely by themselves, they don't make all their products by hand, they don't build they're own factories, they don't drive their products to the market, they don't stock the shelves, they don't sell the end product to the consumer.

I'm all for competition but I think there's a growing feeling that some people are taking too big a slice of the cake, being rewarded for driving down the wages of the workforce in order to make their companies more competitive, but not sharing in that sacrifice, and not spreading the rewards.

No, they dont do anything. They just own everything.
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Here are a few family names that owns almost everything. The Federal Reserve, dozens of investment banks and hundreds of corporations, the list of companies that they own is endless. Rothschilds. Rockefellers, Morgans, Lehmans, Solomons, Oppenheimers....ring a bell?
In D.C there is a saying that if David Rockefeller ever ran for president it would be a demotion. You can normally see him sitting on the right hand side of the current president during dinners, events, etc. His family motto is "competition is a sin" Thus they own their own competition.
In 1974 when Nixon resigned Ford had to pick a V.P and that was Nelson Rockefeller. Congress had a hearing to find out if his family wealth could be used to influence politics, here is a short list of the companies they found to be owned by the Rockefellers. The list has grown since then but they have been able to hide their ownership much better. (funds, groups, etc.)

The numbers represent the number of Rockefellers on the board of directors.

Industrials
Diamond Shamrock (RF&A)

Cerro (2)
General Motors (2)
Universal Oil Products (2)
Exxon (3)
Airco (2)
Chrysler (RF&A +1)
Int'l. Minerals & Chemicals (RF&A)
General Electric (2)
Cluett, Peabody (3)
Mobil Oil (3)
Harris-Intertype (2)
I. B. M. (RF&A +4)
Carborundum (2)
U.S. Steel (3)
Sybron (4)
RCA (2)
Texasgulf (2)
Eastman Kodak (2)
Gannett (3)
Union Carbide (2)
Ceco (2)
Caterpillar Tractor (2)

Xerox (4)

W.R. Grace (4)
Commercial Banking Companies
General Foods (5)

Singer (2)
First National City Corp. (3)
Ralston Purina (2)
Chase Manhattan Corp. (David + RF&A + 3)
Honeywell (2)
Manufacturers Hanover Corp. (5)
Bendix (RF&A +2)
Chemical New York Corp. (4)
Colgate-Palmolive (4)
Bankers Trust New York Corp. (4)
American Can (2)
First Chicago Corp. (3)
TRW (3)
Marine Midland Banks, Inc. (3)
National Steel (3)
Wells Fargo & Co. (2)
Uniroyal (4)
Charter New York Corp. (2)
Republic Steel (2)
Mellon National Corp. (3)
American Motors (RF&A)
First National Boston Corp. (3)
FMC (2)
National Detroit Corp. (5)
Warner-Lambert (2)
Bank of New York Co. (2)
Allied Chemical (2)
Cleveland Trust Co. (2)
U.S. Industries (3)
Detroitbank Corp. (3)
Raytheon (2)
Lincoln First Banks, Inc. (RF&A)
Eaton (2)
Southeast Banking Corp. (3)
Standard Oil, Ohio (2)

Teledyne (2)

Nabisco (2)
Life-Insurance Companies
Kennecott Copper (4)

Bristol-Myers (2)
Prudential (5)
Burroughs (3)
Metropolitan (5)
Illinois Central Inds. (2)
Equitable Life Assurance (3)
Studebaker-Worthington (2)
New York Life (2)
Amer. Smelting & Refining (2)
Massachusetts Mutual (2)
Eli Lilly (2)
Mutual of New York (5)
Corning Glass (3)
New England Mutual (2)
Emerson Electric (2)
Mutual Benefit (2)
Scott Paper (4)

Carrier (3)

Avco (2)

Hewlett-Packard (2)


-37-
Diversified Financial Companies
Retailing Companies


American Express (6)
Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea (2)
Continental Corp. (4)
S. S. Kresge (RF&A +1)
C. I. T. Financial (RF&A)
Federated Department Stores (3)
Crum & Forster (RF&A)
Winn-Dixie Stores (2)

May Department Stores (2)

R. H. Macy (RF&A +4)
Utilities
Marriott (2)


American Tel. & Tel. (5)

Consolidated Edison (2)
Transportation Companies
Detroit Edison (3)


Pan American World Airways (4)

Eastern Air Lines (RF&A +3)


The following are sizeable companies not included in the listing by FORTUNE

U.S. Trust Co., New York (5)
Canadian Corporations
Fidelity Union Bankcorp, N.J. (4)

J. Henry Schroder Banking Corp. (3)
Investors Group (RF&A)
Bowery Savings Bank (3)
Royal Bank of Canada (3)
Greenwich Savings Bank (RF&A +3)
Investors Growth Fund (3)
Maccabees Mutual Life (2)
Investors Mutual of Canada (3)
Liberty Mutual Life (2)
Great-Western Life Assurance (4)
Reliance Insurance (2)
Montreal Trust Co. (2)

Canadian Pacific Ltd. (2)

International Nickel (2)
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Its the same 15 members sitting on many boards.
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Its the same 15 members sitting on many boards.
I was thinking it was something like that. Like Carl Ichan does, and many others. Oh well, Some families use their connections to further their relatives.
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But is it really a "success story" when the job they have to take doesn't even pay enough to cover their student loans? Besides, you have to admit that the cost of higher education in the US is much too high -- and is inaccessible for many.
Partially because it's no longer subsidized by the local govt. In addition people choose to go to college and get into debt instead of saving/cashflowing or choose to study at a more "prestigious" out of state institution (means more expensive, colleges have marketing depts too).

Also the way US students generally do MBAs/Law school at 25 right after a "liberal arts" degree compared to the more vocational systems elsewhere (like the apprenticeship system here) means you can have two degress/qualifications with little actual work experience on graduation. Not every small business needs unexperienced strategists/lawyers....

If you're really good you can set up and succeed yourself, otherwise why are you in college if you can't afford/pay back after graduation?

Welcome to the "free" market (pay as you go.....or don't)!
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Some comic relief from McSweeney's - http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/o...ikym4U.twitter
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Keith Olbermann Reads The Statement Released By The Wall Street Protesters - 2011-10-05



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Keith Olbermann Reads The Statement Released By The Wall Street Protesters - 2011-10-05



Makes sense to me

I dont know who is a bigger douch bag, Keith Olbermann or Bill O`Reily.
But this guy is a much bigger douch bag.



Edit. Current number of protesters in NY has reached over 15,000 and is growing. More and more protests are sprouting up all over the country.
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Weren't all the Founding Fathers immensely rich landowners descended from well-to-do families with slaves and everything, or did I imagine that?
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Occupy Paradeplatz. Saturday Oct. 15

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What does that have to do with anything?
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I was wondering the same...
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What does that have to do with anything?
Well, the country being run by the wealthy few is hardly a new thing, is it?

You really do need to get you educational system in order, don't you?

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Bite the hand that feeds you, anyone?
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...guilty

...but I had one ancestor, a General, no less, who fought for the Union!

...but then there was the other ancestor General who fought for the Confederacy....
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Occupy Paradeplatz. Saturday Oct. 15

https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=267123696654374


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It will be a great way to meet chicks.
Sorry to miss this (not), but I will be shoe shopping (and having tea with my lovely grandma) in Italy.

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