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Old 05.10.2011, 13:25
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Re: South Africa's Foreign policy - Why is it against freedom ?

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ANC are simply racist: "Black good, Asians tolerable, whites out".
Aaah, the opposite/reverse of Israel, here lies the rub.


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As for Superpower - difficult status to achieve when you can't even get water and electricity to most citizens (never mind the treatment meted out to refugees).
Like it or not, they are the African Continent Superpower.

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Sanctions - of course sanctions can be used as a foreign policy tool. In the case of ANC's south africa - their internal human rights record is not much better than official apartheid.
How does internal human rights abuses equate to foreign policy ? It doesn't. Sanctions are there to elicit changes within, changes of attitude of a government to it's people. Imposing sanctions to impose a foreign policy change ??? - Crikey, Israel would be dead in the water if the worlds powers decided that was rational and workable. One simple bout of sanctions to collapse Israel by all the worlds powers , , hey presto , Middle East, Peace.

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Elections - the ANC has a very undemocratic record when it comes to media and have yet to be challenged by a serious opposition.
...and Israel is a democracy unblemished with human rights abuses ?

And of course , no propaganda in the Israeli press is there , oh no, not a shred.

What is you point in posting this Pashosh ? Yet more Jewish paranoia on the world stage ? South Africa is a powerful economy, a democracy, is encouraging peace amongst it's neighbours , is advocating local solutions for local issues , has an abundance of natural wealth and labour and many other fine things going for it. Israel is a backwater pain in the ass troublemaking paranoid anomaly in the Middle East , the politically cancerous , erroneous detritus of a tired failed British policy.

Please take your place on the World stage gracefully, South Africa did.
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Old 05.10.2011, 13:32
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Re: South Africa's Foreign policy - Why is it against freedom ?

This thread is about South Africa. Why do you drag Israel into it ?

As for SA "encouraging peace amongst it's neighbours , is advocating local solutions for local issues "

Those "local solutions" are genocide (Sudan), Bullying(Zim), General support of Tyrants (take your pick).
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Old 05.10.2011, 13:37
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This thread is about South Africa. Why do you drag Israel into it ?
Because you are a singular issue poster. Your posts always have Israel connected to them. Your motive in this post, to me, has become clear.

The new warming relationships with Turkey worry the old Israel regime. You, as a loyal propaganda forum foreign trooper are rattling your literary sabre again.

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-2588...tl-issues.html


...and now that Iran has turned it's eyes to Africa ?

http://www.economist.com/node/15453225

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Old 05.10.2011, 14:19
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Because you are a singular issue poster. Your posts always have Israel connected to them. Your motive in this post, to me, has become clear.

The new warming relationships with Turkey worry the old Israel regime. You, as a loyal propaganda forum foreign trooper are rattling your literary sabre again.

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-2588...tl-issues.html


...and now that Iran has turned it's eyes to Africa ?

http://www.economist.com/node/15453225
Ad Hominem. Israel wasn't even mentioned and has nothing to do with SA supporting Assad/Bashir/Mugabe/Ahmedinejad murdering their subjects. SA is now on the side of China & Russia - not a sunny side to be.

As for Turkey/SA relations - birds of feather. See for example their relationship with Gaddafi's Libya.
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Ad Hominem. Israel wasn't even mentioned and has nothing to do with SA supporting Assad/Bashir/Mugabe/Ahmedinejad murdering their subjects. SA is now on the side of China & Russia - not a sunny side to be.

As for Turkey/SA relations - birds of feather. See for example their relationship with Gaddafi's Libya.
Oh. Sure. Nothing to do with Israel ? My bad. Bye.
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Ad Hominem. Israel wasn't even mentioned and has nothing to do with SA supporting Assad/Bashir/Mugabe/Ahmedinejad murdering their subjects. SA is now on the side of China & Russia - not a sunny side to be.
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"On the side of China & Russa" - I think this is an oversimplification.

This sounds a lot like "you are either with us or against us".

Thanks for caring about us though.
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Old 05.10.2011, 14:53
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"On the side of China & Russia" - I think this is an oversimplification.

This sounds a lot like "you are either with us or against us".

Thanks for caring about us though.
SA tends to act & vote together with Russia & China, although it doesn't share a border with them nor is it a crony state. I find this position problematic.

What are the chances of the ANC voted out of office this decade ? Zambia just managed to have a democratic change of government.
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I'd like to add this one into the list: This is the darkest day - Tutu Centre. Some people would even compare this to a new kind of slavery.....
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SA tends to act & vote together with Russia & China, although it doesn't share a border with them nor is it a crony state. I find this position problematic.

What are the chances of the ANC voted out of office this decade ? Zambia just managed to have a democratic change of government.
I don't think you should find it problematic or strange that states who don't share borders act together. Think USA - U.K., or USA - Israel. They can share common ideologies, or views of how things should be.

As for the chances of the ANC being voted out of power this century - 0%. Nevermind what Tutu has said. The scars of Apartheid is too deep, the loyalty too strong and the population majority to overwhelming for any opposition party to top them. Unfortuntately.
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I don't think you should find it problematic or strange that states who don't share borders act together. Think USA - U.K., or USA - Israel. They can share common ideologies, or views of how things should be.

As for the chances of the ANC being voted out of power this century - 0%. Nevermind what Tutu has said. The scars of Apartheid is too deep, the loyalty too strong and the population majority to overwhelming for any opposition party to top them. Unfortuntately.
That's exactly my point: for SA to share ideology and/or world vision with tyrannies is very bad. The ANC will ruin the country.
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That's exactly my point: for SA to share ideology and/or world vision with tyrannies is very bad. The ANC will ruin the country.
Indeed. Remember the times when Israel shared same vision with apartheid SA by supporting them.
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Indeed. Remember the times when Israel shared same vision with apartheid SA by supporting them.
They were extremely close. I worked for the Nuclear Industry out there on a contract, couldn't stop bumping into Mossad lol !

The bubble burst when the old SA Gov. came clean on the nuclear program and Israel decided then to implement sanctions.
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Re: South Africa's Foreign policy - Why is it against freedom ?

The Israel obsession is quite remarkable in a thread that has as to do with Israel as it has with Brazilian agricultural policy.

South Africa (as Zimbabwe before it) is the poster child of post colonialism Africa. Will is keep this coveted status?
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The Israel obsession is quite remarkable in a thread that has as to do with Israel as it has with Brazilian agricultural policy.

South Africa (as Zimbabwe before it) is the poster child of post colonialism Africa. Will is keep this coveted status?
Oh come on Pashosh, everything you write and post about is to do with Israel, how dare we ask you and assume otherwise ?
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Your conclusion is wrong as your basic consideration is wrong. Iran is NOT an enemy of the West. USA&Israel are NOT "the West".
So, in which direction is the USA

I always thought West
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