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Old 10.10.2011, 17:23
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I'm just fed up with all the posters no matter which party. I really do not think slapping hundreds of posters of some ugly mug will convince someone to vote or vote for a person.
And please no more junk mail.
Good luck with that...
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Old 10.10.2011, 17:25
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But the policies of the SVP are really similar to the Nazi party. I don't think the thread is about graffiti but that the graffiti is bang on.
Enough with this crap. Do you even have the slightest clue of what you're on about?

Have you actually ever read the SVP's campaign issues?

Time to get out from under your rock and into the real world, Switzerland doesn't tolerate extreme political idealogies and nor do we have any parties that extoll Nazi policies.
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Old 10.10.2011, 17:25
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An interesting perspective. From an ideological perspective only, what differences to you see between the SVP and the Nazi Party of, say 1929.
You're trolling right?

- The SVP wants Switzerland to stay out of foreign wars (and is the only major party to do so)
- The SVP wants to allow the people to vote over more issues, not less.
- The SVP is against sacrificing democratic rights to a European super-state (and is the only major party to be unambiguously so)
- The SVP has Jewish members
- The SVP has openly gay members, including MPs.

over to you.
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Re: SVP exposed in Basel

Looking at the original poster..It looks like it is dumped at the side of the road. Is that allowed? I cant dump my rubbish so why can they?
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Old 10.10.2011, 17:26
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An interesting perspective. From an ideological perspective only, what differences to you see between the SVP and the Nazi Party of, say 1929.
For me Nazis evoke the gas chamber, foreign expansion and superiority of the aryan race. I don't think the SVP have the same ambitions as the Nazis, imho they are internally focussed.
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Old 10.10.2011, 17:27
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I saw the same thing on a CVP poster (and it was a woman candidate).
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If many pictures had been defaced then discussing why someone would feel strongly enough to deface them would be a valid topic of conversation, yes. It could also attract other bitches to the faith.
When I drop off packets of nappies or baby wipes at the nursery, as well as scrawling my kid's name on the packet, I usually add a beard and glasses to the photo of the baby on the packet.

I'm not trying to prove a point, it just amuses me for a few seconds.

I think we're looking at the same thing here.
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Old 10.10.2011, 17:29
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An interesting perspective. From an ideological perspective only, what differences to you see between the SVP and the Nazi Party of, say 1929.
Well the Nazi party was run by a single person who was good with the media & making speeches that excited people of low mentality whereas the SVP....
Umm no differences yet
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Old 10.10.2011, 17:31
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Well the Nazi party was run by a single person who was good with the media & making speeches that excited people of low mentality whereas the SVP....
Umm no differences yet

Berlusconi, is that you?
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Old 10.10.2011, 17:35
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For me Nazis evoke the gas chamber, foreign expansion and superiority of the aryan race. I don't think the SVP have the same ambitions as the Nazis, imho they are internally focussed.
National Socialism meant socialism (lots of welfare benefits) but just for the Nation. It was originally internally focussed and pragmatic.
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Old 10.10.2011, 17:36
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Well the Nazi party was run by a single person who was good with the media & making speeches that excited people of low mentality whereas the SVP....
Umm no differences yet
Is anybody in the SVP good at making speeches?

If there is any good rhetoric out there it must be a well kept secret.

Or am I missing the sublimal message in the OP's photo?

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Old 10.10.2011, 17:37
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National Socialism meant socialism (lots of welfare benefits) but just for the Nation. It was originally internally focussed and pragmatic.
Fair enough but what's your point? That the SVP will morph into a German 1930s Nazi party?
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Fair enough but what's your point? That the SVP will morph into a German 1930s Nazi party?
Nah, they can't now. The Nazi's had their shot and blew it. You can't have a gas chamber, try and take over the world, or draw a caricature of a Jew anymore. If you want your country to be essentially racially and linguistically pure you have to use a little misdirection.
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Old 10.10.2011, 17:42
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An interesting perspective. From an ideological perspective only, what differences to you see between the SVP and the Nazi Party of, say 1929.
I can name a handful of what I think are substantial differences, even if not all purely 'ideological' or from '1929' only (what magic connection between the present and 1929 justifies the otherwise arbitrary filter?)...

The SVP does not advocate
  • siting Jewry as the cause for their country's woes
  • genocide
  • eugenics or social Darwinism
  • regional expansion for the sake of 'Lebensraum'
  • militarism for old (a la S.A., S.S.) and young (a la Hitlerjugend) alike
  • the intimidation of other parties through violence
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Old 10.10.2011, 17:43
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Nah, they can't now. The Nazi's had their shot and blew it. You can't have a gas chamber, try and take over the world, or draw a caricature of a Jew anymore. If you want your country to be essentially racially and linguistically pure you have to use a little misdirection.
amogles made a very good post upthread about the SVP and their aims and members. I think they are a party motivated by internal fear whereas Nazi Germany wanted to export fear.
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See Texaner, logic. This is why I like you. My comments below:

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I can name a handful of what I think are substantial differences, even if not all purely 'ideological' or from '1929' only (what magic connection between the present and 1929 justifies the otherwise arbitrary filter?)...

The SVP does not advocate
  • siting Jewry as the cause for their country's woes no, they pick others. If Jews were just a scapegoat, then it just has to be somebody, the "who" isn't intrinsic to the ideology
  • genocide No longer possible, see my previous post, pragmatism reigns
  • eugenics or social Darwinism As above, pragamism
  • regional expansion for the sake of 'Lebensraum' They mainly got it, Bavaria and Austria
  • militarism for old (a la S.A., S.S.) and young (a la Hitlerjugend) alike Again, they're already there. Ever seen shooting season?
  • the intimidation of other parties through violence no really ideological
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See Texaner, logic. This is why I like you. My comments below:
I agree with many of these points and the fact that the SVP are more subtle and sophisticated than 30s German Nazis.
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I agree with many of these points and the fact that the SVP are more subtle and sophisticated than 30s German Nazis.
Ask yourself from a totally practical point of view, if the Nazis wanted to make a comeback today in a serious way, what would they be called, what would their policies be, how would they look?
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Ask yourself from a totally practical point of view, if the Nazis wanted to make a comeback today in a serious way, what would they be called, what would their policies be, how would they look?
Yes, I agree with your point but I still don't think that the SVPs motivations are the same as 30s German Nazis.
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Old 10.10.2011, 17:55
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See Texaner, logic. This is why I like you. My comments below:

  • siting Jewry as the cause for their country's woes no, they pick others. If Jews were just a scapegoat, then it just has to be somebody, the "who" isn't intrinsic to the ideology
  • genocide No longer possible, see my previous post, pragmatism reigns
  • eugenics or social Darwinism As above, pragamism
  • regional expansion for the sake of 'Lebensraum' They mainly got it, Bavaria and Austria
  • militarism for old (a la S.A., S.S.) and young (a la Hitlerjugend) alike Again, they're already there. Ever seen shooting season?
  • the intimidation of other parties through violence no really ideological
If you're going to be that broad, then the test could work with virtually any party. Let's look at the Greens:

- scapegoats = industry, banks, the rich, the other political parties, their political oponents in general.
- regional expansion = being pro-EU
- militarism and militarist youth organisations = sympathise with anti-globalist demonstrators

etc

Works for almost very party. Even the Pirate Party.
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I think that every party should put on their Plakate anything legal and the rest is just part of the political debate. But I must admit that I find this one "alteration" really cleverly done:
SEI ANDERS = BE DIFFERENT.

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