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Good Samaritan law. If you come to the aid of someone injured or in danger you do not risk lawsuit.
This video is shocking, and I very much hope that if I ever have a chance to help someone who is injured I'll do so. Good Samaritan laws aren't a blanket, though. Not everywhere has them, they're not always perfect, and even where they do exist they don't prevent someone from dragging you into defending a lawsuit, just from winning. It's a sadly litigious world, as well as a sometimes uncaring one.
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All my thoughts? I don't think so.
Granted, a bad choice of words when I talked about 'ill-treating children', I'm sure the majority of Chinese people love and care for their children as much as anyone else. I was thinking more of reports of baby girls being abandoned because of the one child policy in China.
I was referring to your words .. "I would seriously advise people not to watch this video."

The content may be disturbing, but not watching it because it makes you 'feel bad' is almost just as terrible. That's the world we live in, and you may or may not be able to do anything about it, but burying your head in the sand certainly does not help ...
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The women who came to her aid was the child's mother
The first was a rubbish collector, the second was her mother.

I am still deeply disturbed by this and will give my little one an even tighter squeeze tonight when I get home.

It is so saddening to see how heartless we as a species can be
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The first was a rubbish collector, the second was her mother.

I am still deeply disturbed by this and will give my little one an even tighter squeeze tonight when I get home.

It is so saddening to see how heartless we as a species can be
I know but if you read the message I quoted then what I wrote would make more sense
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About the same amount as the past. Is it a case of what we've become, or what we've always been? Casual cruelty, lack of empathy or concern are nothing new. People see something they cannot deal with, and so ignore it.

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To me, eighteen people walking past a mortally wounded toddler, though, on any given day in a public market (not a war zone or a situation where all people were fighting or running for their lives) just surpasses any everyday example of "lack of empathy or concern," such as when people fail to stop to help an injured driver after a wreck, or the like. You are definitely right that there has always been lack of compassion in people, it just seems exponentially worse than one might initially assume after viewing concrete evidence when the victim is an innocent baby who is lying bleeding in the roadway.

Sadly, as jrspet indicated, there are probably similar examples taking place every day, just not captured on video and posted for the world to see.
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Old 18.10.2011, 11:17
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I saw this yesterday and I felt so sick in my stomach. In its haste to catch up and surge ahead of the developed world, China unintentionally created a moral vacuum.

Before any of you argue that it is typical of big cities: I fell and twisted my ankle on my way to work near Liverpool St station once during rush hour. Was in so much pain that tears were welling up my eyes. I just sat there and within a short time, I had three people stop and asked if they could help.

For those of you aware of the reputation of Londoners during rush hour and battled them, you'd know what I mean.
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such as when people fail to stop to help an injured driver after a wreck, or the like
I didn't make my driving license that long ago, so I still have the rules quite fresh in my memory. In my 3rd world country, you are forced to call for help in case of an accident (fines might incure if you are caught running away) but you are advised not to touch any injured people, as it might make it worse in case of spinal injury.

This is quite a sad story, but let's not jump to conclusions that modern society is awful, it's the fault of big cities, it's the fault of the chinese, etc. Though I have no proofs of it, I do believe that the reason people get so shocked with this story is the fact that this is not the normal way a person would act and is hopefully an isolated case.

Just yesterday I checked on a woman crying on the train station looking like Alice Cooper, to find out it was just boy trouble. And I don't consider myself different from any other person, I do believe others would check if they had seen her.
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

A couple of years ago my wife saw something a little similar in North India, on the university campus where we lived. A young lad was knocked off his bike. The really distressing thing was that a driver did stop, only to drag the unconscious boy out of the road so that he could continue his journey. Finally one of the gardeners did help him, and I think he was ok.

It's a different world. It's easy to judge people harshly who live in places like that. But I know from experience that in the end you have to close your eyes, at least somewhat, to the suffering of others or you simply cannot survive. You still try to help where you can, but the horrible realisation grows that the problem is too big for you, maybe too big for us all.
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It's easy to judge people harshly who live in places like that. But I know from experience that in the end you have to close your eyes, at least somewhat, to the suffering of others or you simply cannot survive. You still try to help where you can, but the horrible realisation grows that the problem is too big for you, maybe too big for us all.
Sorry, Wouldnt agree at all... no excuses can be given for being unmoved when a toddler is bleeding to death, be it India, China, Switzerland or anywhere in the world,
Animals are better than us humans in this aspect.. they are more compassionate than us...
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

Reading stories like this, I find myself trying to contemplate how anyone could walk past someone in trouble and simply ignore it. I remember reading a horrific story a few years ago about a man in India who had been struck by a truck and was left by the curbside, injured but not dead, for nearly a full day. It was only when a reporter walked past that someone finally reacted and helped the injured man. The incident sparked similar soul-searching in India at the time, but it was short-lived.

I agree with jrspet - in places with a huge, dense population, the value of individual human life goes down and is treated with less respect. When I visit India, in particular, I am always shocked at how people can seemingly walk past huge amounts of human suffering and not get involved. For my part, I was so upset by what I saw in India that I decided to take action myself, getting involved with a number of Indian charities. I can’t reconcile that I feel the need to help ease the suffering from 5’000km away, but many who face it every day become immune to it and choose not to take any action of their own.

My mind and all my beliefs simply cannot comprehend what I’m seeing in this video.
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Before any of you argue that it is typical of big cities: I fell and twisted my ankle on my way to work near Liverpool St station once during rush hour. Was in so much pain that tears were welling up my eyes. I just sat there and within a short time, I had three people stop and asked if they could help.

For those of you aware of the reputation of Londoners during rush hour and battled them, you'd know what I mean.
Back in Blighty I've seen people abandon their cars and race across busy carriageways to attend injured badgers, cats, foxes etc..
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Sorry, Wouldnt agree at all... no excuses can be given for being unmoved when a toddler is bleeding to death, be it India, China, Switzerland or anywhere in the world,
Animals are better than us humans in this aspect.. they are more compassionate than us...
I know what you mean... but then how far do you take it. When the road outside is full of starving people of all ages, how many do you feed? Which?
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I agree with jrspet - in places with a huge, dense population, the value of individual human life goes down and is treated with less respect. When I visit India, in particular, I am always shocked at how people can seemingly walk past huge amounts of human suffering and not get involved.
I'm sorry, Village Idiot, without any disrespect intended, but I do find this kind of saying a very hypocritical typical saying from a "westerner". I have met my share of Indians inloco and outside India, and my share of Europeans. And I did not notice any degrading of the value of human life. Europeans are capable of exactly the same crimes, uncompationate reaction as a person from - oh how I dread the use of this expression - less developed countries. Some really big problems in these countries were brought by western societies who wanted to fix things that were not in need of fixing.

I do agree with helping charities, I do it myself, no matter which country they help.

But I really do not believe, no matter the place on this planet, someone in its right mind would value a human life less. Maybe I am a stupid dreamer, but I do not believe nationality or cultural background to have an effect on this problem.

I want to believe this was an isolated case, and I do keep my faith in the human race. Hopefully I won't regret it.
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I want to believe this was an isolated case, and I do keep my faith in the human race. Hopefully I won't regret it.
I agree with you that uncaring people can be found all over the world, and I'm certainly not trying to suggest that an entire country is full of uncaring people. But I also know, both from what I read and from what I've seen with my own eyes on many visits to India, that sadly this is not an isolated case:

Mumbai's reputation for large-heartedness and willingness failed...

Tale of Woman Burned Alive Tells Much About India

9 Sacha Sauda followers die in accident

I looked the other way

Gruesome death on DN Road

Doomdooma girl run over in Guwahati

These stories are all the same -- injured people left to die in the streets, ignored by those around them. Or worse, asked to help and refusing.

I find it shocking, and it shakes my fundamental belief in humanity.
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I was referring to your words .. "I would seriously advise people not to watch this video."

The content may be disturbing, but not watching it because it makes you 'feel bad' is almost just as terrible. That's the world we live in, and you may or may not be able to do anything about it, but burying your head in the sand certainly does not help ...
I agree, this cannot be ignored, I am certainly not burying my head in the sand. I simply felt that what happened could be read about in the text and some people would find watching the video too upsetting.
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I know what you mean... but then how far do you take it. When the road outside is full of starving people of all ages, how many do you feed? Which?
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So dreadfully sad- but at first I thought it must be a set up- who in their sickest mind would FILM his and do nothing either?
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The biggest problem seems to be the mentality that it's somebody else's problem. Especially in this day and age where people where society places so much pressure on people to perform.

For example your company isn't going to care about a dying kid on the side of the road, all your company's interested in is that you've achieved your targets, and if you haven't you could well be for the chop. Besides somebody else will come along in a minute, wont they?

Interesting to note that the first person who stopped to help is likely to have been first person in that video who had no such pressures.

Just the way I see it, and yes, it's terrible.
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

Its a terrible video to watch, but bystander effect is not a new thing. In India, it is not common to notice people coming for help. I do not think its because of 'devaluation' of life, but the same fear as in china that one could be scammed, for others its just a show.
The common reasons given for not helping are:
  1. Its not my problem.
  2. Dont worry, someone else would take care of it
  3. I have bigger things to be worried about

I remember once in Mumbai, a middle aged man died inside a super crowded mumbai train, it was the peak hour. People took his body out and placed it on the platform, and they just went to work.

But, its not true that nobody cares, for every such negative story there are many more stories of human kindness and compassion. Within 45 minutes of the news of the last Mumbai bomb blasts, people on twitter had compiled a list of over 250 individuals offering free stay, medical help, free transport to those who were stranded near the bomb sites.

No, human life being devalued is NOT a reason i could digest.
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