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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

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So dreadfully sad- but at first I thought it must be a set up- who in their sickest mind would FILM his and do nothing either?
It's from CCTV Odile.
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Two of the passers-by were actually a woman and child. Regardless it is very poignant that the good samaritain was the one at the lowest wrung of society, a rubbish scavenger. The only positive thing is that the video seems to have provoked a great deal of soul searching in China.
I'm afraid it's a really common occurence in China. As you mentioned, the problem is that people are afraid of getting involved, and usually "mind their own business". Helping others can backfire, hence mainland China is an extremely egocentric society where everyone looks the other way.

Again, these videos are of a very disturbing, violent nature!

http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictu...alks-away.html

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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

once I was driving down a highway a minivan started spinning and crashed into a barrier in front of me. Maybe five cars in front of me didn't stop. I stopped, ran out to it, saw that the lady driving was bleeding and 3 kids in the back screaming. I told my wife to try to calm the lady down while I checked that the kids are alright (they were, only shocked). A number of cars simply drove by without stopping until finally one lady asked if she could do something and we asked her to call the police/ambulance. We stayed until the police came about 5 minutes later, gave our statements, and all the while only one other guy stopped to ask if he could help. The rest slowed down, rubber necked and drove off.

2 weeks later, the police called me again firstly to confirm my statement. Then they told me that I will be fined for 2 offences:

1) stopping in the middle of the highway (should have stopped at the side and put up a triangle)
2) not wearing a reflective jacket while prancing about the highway.

So guess where this was. And would I stop and help next time?
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Old 18.10.2011, 14:32
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Animals are better than us humans in this aspect.. they are more compassionate than us...
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

Hi,

While not wanting to excuse the people turning a blind eye to the injured child, it mentioned in one of the reports I read that in China, people who stop to help in such situations end up in trouble themselves.

@Axman: I hope you contested the fines. I am sure there is room for the police to exercise discretion if you had stopped to assist.

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Old 18.10.2011, 14:43
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I was referring to your words .. "I would seriously advise people not to watch this video."

The content may be disturbing, but not watching it because it makes you 'feel bad' is almost just as terrible. That's the world we live in, and you may or may not be able to do anything about it, but burying your head in the sand certainly does not help ...
I don't think we need to visually see everything that is disgusting to be just as shocked or to believe if it is true or not.

I didn't watch it. I have already spent the morning discussing it with other people. I think it's macabre to watch something like that, especially if in the title it says what is going to happen.

Also, I don't think it's to bury your head in the sand to not want to have this imagery in my thoughts. As I fully believe that constantly watching this type of shocking material, eventually desensitizes people, and harder to feel more or less when it happens. Such as the almost daily censored/and not video footage that comes from anywhere like Pakistan, Afghanistan, or Iraq of a car bombing in any of those areas. I remember when hearing about a car bomb used to make me feel terrible. It still does, but the fact it happens almost everyday becomes quite routine. And to be honest I don't see any apparent rage on this forum to sickening violence on a mass scale in those regions, that we are very aware of, and I can guess why.
Cause we see it all the time.
I have kids, and I don't think I am being less sympathetic if I don't want to have my heart torn apart while I watch what I can only imagine must be a devastating for the mother.
I am not censoring myself into another world, a news story in print tells me what I need to know, and I find it shocking and disgusting enough.
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Old 18.10.2011, 14:43
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once I was driving down a highway a minivan started spinning and crashed into a barrier in front of me. Maybe five cars in front of me didn't stop. I stopped, ran out to it, saw that the lady driving was bleeding and 3 kids in the back screaming. I told my wife to try to calm the lady down while I checked that the kids are alright (they were, only shocked). A number of cars simply drove by without stopping until finally one lady asked if she could do something and we asked her to call the police/ambulance. We stayed until the police came about 5 minutes later, gave our statements, and all the while only one other guy stopped to ask if he could help. The rest slowed down, rubber necked and drove off.

2 weeks later, the police called me again firstly to confirm my statement. Then they told me that I will be fined for 2 offences:

1) stopping in the middle of the highway (should have stopped at the side and put up a triangle)
2) not wearing a reflective jacket while prancing about the highway.

So guess where this was. And would I stop and help next time?
Although what you did is admirable, the first rule of first aid is not to make the situation worse by getting you or someone else injured as well.

So, deal with any dangers first before dealing with any casualties.

All people who obtain a driving licence in Switzerland are taught this as part of their first aid course.

Having been the first one to actually do anything worthwhile at a few accidents, if there are no emergency services present, I do tend to slow down and park safely and go and see if some help is needed - even if it's only to direct traffic or call the emergency services.
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You are aware of the hundreds of news links I could come up with of dogs mauling children to death to counter this vid right?
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once I was driving down a highway a minivan started spinning and crashed into a barrier in front of me. Maybe five cars in front of me didn't stop. I stopped, ran out to it, saw that the lady driving was bleeding and 3 kids in the back screaming. I told my wife to try to calm the lady down while I checked that the kids are alright (they were, only shocked). A number of cars simply drove by without stopping until finally one lady asked if she could do something and we asked her to call the police/ambulance. We stayed until the police came about 5 minutes later, gave our statements, and all the while only one other guy stopped to ask if he could help. The rest slowed down, rubber necked and drove off.

2 weeks later, the police called me again firstly to confirm my statement. Then they told me that I will be fined for 2 offences:

1) stopping in the middle of the highway (should have stopped at the side and put up a triangle)
2) not wearing a reflective jacket while prancing about the highway.

So guess where this was. And would I stop and help next time?
Did you tell the papers?
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Although what you did is admirable, the first rule of first aid is not to make the situation worse by getting you or someone else injured as well.

So, deal with any dangers first before dealing with any casualties.

All people who obtain a driving licence in Switzerland are taught this as part of their first aid course.

Having been the first one to actually do anything worthwhile at a few accidents, if there are no emergency services present, I do tend to slow down and park safely and go and see if some help is needed - even if it's only to direct traffic or call the emergency services.
very good law.. but given the circumstance and what Axman did, they could have let him off with a warning...
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once I was driving down a highway a minivan started spinning and crashed into a barrier in front of me. Maybe five cars in front of me didn't stop. I stopped, ran out to it, saw that the lady driving was bleeding and 3 kids in the back screaming. I told my wife to try to calm the lady down while I checked that the kids are alright (they were, only shocked). A number of cars simply drove by without stopping until finally one lady asked if she could do something and we asked her to call the police/ambulance. We stayed until the police came about 5 minutes later, gave our statements, and all the while only one other guy stopped to ask if he could help. The rest slowed down, rubber necked and drove off.

2 weeks later, the police called me again firstly to confirm my statement. Then they told me that I will be fined for 2 offences:

1) stopping in the middle of the highway (should have stopped at the side and put up a triangle)
2) not wearing a reflective jacket while prancing about the highway.

So guess where this was. And would I stop and help next time?
As was stated by some one else, you to follow a code of things before you help some one here, although I think a letter accompanying this saying they would overlook the fines and give you a warning, thanks for helping, but respect the code next time, sounds a lot more intelligent. Personally though, and I think this would be the case with you anyways, oh well for the fine, I personally can't pass some one on the road, if there isn't help already there, and go about my day.
There is no excuse to leave some one who needs help behind even if I fine is possible. I would appeal it though if I were you.
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You are aware of the hundreds of news links I could come up with of dogs mauling children to death to counter this vid right?
Yeah, sure, and hundreds where priests purposely abuse children, or others purposely kill or maim them. And hundreds where some Chinese dude helps someone, and hundreds where- ah whatever.
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very good law.. but given the circumstance and what Axman did, they could have let him off with a warning...
or he could have parked at the side of the road and put on a yellow vest and positioned a triangle as is required by law... I assume he had them in the car...
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very good law.. but given the circumstance and what Axman did, they could have let him off with a warning...
Yes, it was a bit harsh.
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

Few years ago when I was still in Istanbul, I came accross this kind of situation that left me questionning what was wrong with people.

I was newly pregnant and I had a friend over. We went out to do some shopping and down our street, I could see a dark mass on the floor. So I went to see and it was a old man laying on the floor. A woman shout at me from a window and I asked her why she wasn't helping the poor man. Few people passed by, some were watching by the windows and no one didn't bother to help! I was in shock and totally disgusted. So I went to him and I tried to put him on his feet. He was confused, I gave him some water, sat nexrt to him and waited to see how he was doing. He told me he came to visit his son and went for a walk. He felt on the sidewalk and was left there.

He kept thanking me and thanking God to have send me to him.

The lady I asked why she didn't help told me because she thought he was a gypsy asking for money.

I hope Karma will be there if one day I fall or my kids fall and someone will help back.

Inshallah!
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Two of the passers-by were actually a woman and child. Regardless it is very poignant that the good samaritain was the one at the lowest wrung of society, a rubbish scavenger. The only positive thing is that the video seems to have provoked a great deal of soul searching in China.
This is an ancient story .... "The Good Samaritan" story of the Bible.

The "original" good Samaritan was also from the lowest rung of society. After the "good standing" citizens and religious priests had passed the mugged and injured person by, this dirty poor man stopped and attended to the wounds, tearing up his own clothes for bandages, took the man to an Inn and paid for him to be looked after - until his return when he would enquire if any further debts needed settled.

The Parables of the Bible are not just fairy stories, they are examples of how we are supposed to live.

But we ignore the teachings of the Bible now, because we are so civilized.

Thank you for posting that video - we need to be aware of how heartless the world has become, despite its "riches".
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

Now this video is disturbing and makes me cringe for society on the whole.

But on the topic and general interest of being a considerate human being, I give you the story of a highly decorated british war hero: Henry Tandey.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_T...itler_incident


Not defending any point of view, just a story of interest on the topic.
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You are aware of the hundreds of news links I could come up with of dogs mauling children to death to counter this vid right?
It must take some courage to stand by and video a child being mauled to death huh?
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

I did have the triangle and the vest in my car.

But I simply didn't think about those things. I just stopped my car in front of that car (it was in the left lane), and jumped out. My wife put on the hazard lights just before I called out to her to hurry up and help.

Only a few minutes later as my wife was getting blood all over herself (the lady was hysterical, but mostly grabbing on to my wife), did she ask me if I could sort these things out. I looked out and saw that the traffic was very slow and orderly and didn't think it was that urgent. The police arrived soon anyway. So it is my fault I guess.

About the fine, I think I did get a discount after arguing with them on the phone.

For my wife, the worst part is that after helping the lady and her kids, and calling her husband to inform him of what is going on, she received no thanks from her. Not a word. She says this why she will never stop to help ever again.

However, I am sure, the next time this happens, we can't just ignore it...
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

Both times that I have assisted someone who was seriously injured I ended up with trouble after because of it.

The first instance was a man who crashed his car into a tree. I ran down the street to where he was to find the entire front of the car was caved in and the windscreen smashed. The man was unconscious and not breathing. I performed CPR (thankfully I was a first aider at the time) and kept him alive until the paramedics, police and fire brigade got to the scene. I left my details with the police and went home.

A few weeks later I received a phone call from someone I didn't know saying "Oh you're my angel, I could recognise your voice instantly". I was creeped out until the man explained he was the person who had been in the car crash. He said he wanted to meet me to thank me in person. I agreed but said that my Dad would be accompanying me (I was only 18 at the time).

We did meet in the pub with my dad where I accepted a drink and then left. This man then continued to harrass me and even stalked me at work and at college.

In the end we had to involve the police, who it turns out, were the ones who gave him my contact details in the first place

The second time, I hauled a drunk woman out of a swimming pool in Spain as she was drowning. Again, I had to pump the water off her chest to get her to breath and was repaid by her irate husband (also drunk) shouting at me and threatening violence.

It turns out they had been having a domestic shortly before and he thought I was getting myself involved in their drama. Whatever

I'd still help someone in trouble today though.
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