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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

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...Animals are better than us humans in this aspect.. they are more compassionate than us...
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I know what you mean... but then how far do you take it. When the road outside is full of starving people of all ages, how many do you feed? Which?
One of them. Make a difference to that one.

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...And would I stop and help next time?
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Old 18.10.2011, 16:49
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

You're not the only one to experience such sentiments.

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I am still deeply disturbed by this and will give my little one an even tighter squeeze tonight when I get home.
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Old 18.10.2011, 16:55
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

I could not watch all that. Absolutely disgusting in the extreme. I can't make any other comment really. Feel very very sad and angry that such a thing could happen.
And yes, as a parent you always imagine don't you - "if that were my child"....
My God. Horrific.
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Old 18.10.2011, 17:01
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

Really tragic, and I hope she pulls through. I had an ex who worked in Ped. Intensive care, they had too many cases similar to this. Luckily children have a better bounce back statistic than older people. So I hope she is alright soon and wish her a speedy recovery

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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

Yup, really sad!
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

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I'm afraid it's a really common occurence in China. As you mentioned, the problem is that people are afraid of getting involved, and usually "mind their own business". Helping others can backfire, hence mainland China is an extremely egocrentic society where everyone looks the other way.
That might be true generally speaking, but for the scene we have all seen there's no excuse nor there is a rational explanation. In what sort of trouble could have one put himself through, had he removed the little one away of the cars?
It is just so sad..
I know people could be extremely coward(ish) when in a situation when standing up could backfire so hard, but that was extreme. IMHO
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Really tragic, and I hope she pulls through. I had an ex who worked in Ped. Intensive care, they had too many cases similar to this. Luckily children have a better bounce back statistic than older people. So I hope she is alright soon and wish her a speedy recovery
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I don't think there is a way back for her, unfortunately.
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Tragic.


People always say 'don't get involved, look after number one, you and yours'. I could never ever get my head and heart around that.
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Old 18.10.2011, 19:40
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

China still does not value a girl's life over a boy's. In fact, most of the world is still this way.

And because of all the baby girls in China who have been killed, trashed, or abandoned, China is now facing a huge problem with men who can't find marriage partners. A ratio of more women to men creates more balance, stability, and peace within a culture.

I get exhausted and frustrated learning about abused children and the lack of women's rights and I feel so blessed and thankful to be living in a part of the world where I feel relatively safe from this kind of suffering.
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Old 18.10.2011, 19:41
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

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I don't think there is a way back for her, unfortunately.
I really hope this isn't the case. Poor little darling. No child deserves being ignored like that. How can they live with themselves??

I am so moved by this. It's totally horrific. God help someone or people who would ignore my wee 'un like that. I'd kill them!!

EDIT: but I do wonder how a mum had her toddler out of her sight for that long......not blaming her but I just can't get my head around this.
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

I am sorry that I opened that link up and saw the video..how horrifying! I feel so sad and disgusted, I cant get the image of that poor sweet child. What is wrong with ppl? I could not for the life of me, see that and continue walking, I would do what I could and get some help. God rest her little soul. Sleep well little one.
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Old 18.10.2011, 20:05
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EDIT: but I do wonder how a mum had her toddler out of her sight for that long......

You would be surprised - I remember years ago driving in London and ending up lost on some estate. I was horrified to see when I went down a street a toddler - and I mean about 18months old - being put on the roof of a car by some older kids who then ran away.
I got to the child just before he fell off the roof and another child told me where he lived. I went to the house where the mother opened the door - not interested that her child was left on the streets at all.
After questioning her a voice came from the back
" Shut the door and tell that f****** nosy parker to F*** off

They were no interested in the childs welfare at all...
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Old 18.10.2011, 20:39
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It must take some courage to stand by and video a child being mauled to death huh?
Actually that was in response to some one saying a dog was more considerate then human beings, which I was countering. But I countered it by saying I could give news links, not video links.

Please read what I say before you post on your mis interpretations.
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Old 18.10.2011, 20:40
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

I've skimmed this thread, but comments on the lines of "China values boys more than girls", probably implying that they're more likely to leave a girl to die, needs rather quick comments.

Also, trying to guess why, blaming big cities etc is also wrong in my opinion.

China has a very unique problem, and this also explains why it tends to be women and poor who help.

When someone is injured in China, medical bills aren't free. Even the trip to the hospital is charged. People die due to lack of money. Plus there's a "hukou" system which means you can only get state help in your home town. Migrant workers have to come alone (children aren't allowed in schools away from their home town) and injuries involve a trip back home, once imminent death is averted.

So ... what happens is that the injured person immediately blames someone else. Even if they just trip up. You help an old lady up, and she's likely to say she was fine, until you broke her wrist and caused her to fall badly again. A man found someone unconscious by the side of the road, picked them up and took them to hospital.They sued, saying it must have been his fault. Went to court and ... judge ruled against the helper on the basis that "no normal person would help so much - you must have been guilty of something".

This hit the press in China big time (the govt controls most stories, so there's little they can report on!). Consequence is .. people who are worth suing (i.e. the new middle class and mid-ranking govt officials) are very unlikely to help anyone.

Same as I won't help any young child in the UK if I'm on my own. I'll call for help, or ask others to help with me, but on my own so some parent, trying to deflect their own lack of care and responsibility, can deflect attention by saying the single man holding their daughter is a paedophile? No chance. Sorry all you good parents out there, but tough.

I didn't watch the OP's video, but I've read the story in a few places. And I put the blame on desperate people needing money.

Not on Chinese mentality. Not on it being a big city. Not on it being because they only like boys not girls.

However, there is a very big topic of confucius behaviour vs religious morality (where the good samaritan comes from) favouring families over strangers, but I'll save that for a real chat over lots of beers.

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China still does not value a girl's life over a boy's. In fact, most of the world is still this way.

And because of all the baby girls in China who have been killed, trashed, or abandoned, China is now facing a huge problem with men who can't find marriage partners. A ratio of more women to men creates more balance, stability, and peace within a culture.

I get exhausted and frustrated learning about abused children and the lack of women's rights and I feel so blessed and thankful to be living in a part of the world where I feel relatively safe from this kind of suffering.

While some of this may be true, I don't see how relevant it is to no one stopping to assist a little girl that was just run over twice from a car. I seriously don't think people are running those statistics thru their heads as they pass a victim on the road..."Well I am Chinese, and alot of other children are abandoned in this country so, some one else will get her"

And seriously you have anything that backs up more women equal more stability and peace in a culture? I think that is a little guessing on your part.
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China still does not value a girl's life over a boy's. In fact, most of the world is still this way.

And because of all the baby girls in China who have been killed, trashed, or abandoned, China is now facing a huge problem with men who can't find marriage partners. A ratio of more women to men creates more balance, stability, and peace within a culture.
Actually, there are studies that link the rise of the NSDAP in the late 20s in Germany to the existence of a growing class of uneducated, unemployed men who couldn't find a woman / start a family (because of lack of money) and thus had absolutely no hope and perspective for the future.

So, this development (which is only getting worse) is very troubling. The poor little girl's fate, however heart-breaking it is, is really only the tip of a giant iceberg, I'm afraid.
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

Too shocked for words! How I wished I hadn't watched being a mum of three girls. Having lived in China myself I have never seen anything like this and I am so glad. Poor poor little mite!
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Same as I won't help any young child in the UK if I'm on my own. I'll call for help, or ask others to help with me, but on my own so some parent, trying to deflect their own lack of care and responsibility, can deflect attention by saying the single man holding their daughter is a paedophile? No chance. Sorry all you good parents out there, but tough.
I'm normally very cautious around children I don't know for this very reason, but that's all goes out the window if I see a kid in danger. I was at the badi a few weeks and saw a two year old girl struggling completely underwater, I quickly and rather urgently plucked her from the water by one arm, I was holding my daughter and our badi clothes at the time, I didn't really stop to think about putting anything down or asking anyone else anything, I just grabbed her. Her mother was very grateful and obviously shaken, it was crowded and it only takes a few seconds, a mistake anyone can make.

Anyhow, I'd rather have someone call me a pedophile than stand around watching a little kid struggle underwater.
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I'm normally very cautious around children I don't know for this very reason, but that's all goes out the window if I see a kid in danger. I was at the badi a few weeks and saw a two year old girl struggling completely underwater, I quickly and rather urgently plucked her from the water by one arm, I was holding my daughter and our badi clothes at the time, I didn't really stop to think about putting anything down or asking anyone else anything, I just grabbed her. Her mother was very grateful and obviously shaken, it was crowded and it only takes a few seconds, a mistake anyone can make.

Anyhow, I'd rather have someone call me a pedophile than stand around watching a little kid struggle underwater.
I pulled some daft kid out of a pool when we were on holiday last summer. He'd put a pair of those inflatable water wings on his ankles and jumped into the deep end of the pool, promptly turning himself upside down .

Mum and dad were sunning themselves next to the pool and didn't see a thing. I was in that pool and over to him as fast as I would have attended to my own son with the single thought of pulling him out of the water. Not one fibre of me thought about whether it would be viewed as dodgy.
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Absolutely understand about putting family first. If I was with my grand-children, I wouldn't stop if it put them in danger- but I'd try and get help immediately, one way or another.
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