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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

Absolutely understand about putting family first. If I was with my grand-children, I wouldn't stop if it put them in danger- but I'd try and get help immediately, one way or another.

I just can't 'discuss' this here, it is just too upsetting, sorry.
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Helping the child must have been socially or economically non-viable.
I am quite shocked nobody here had yet the courage to say that the citizens had right to their own life. Put a few "planned parenthood" like euphemisms in the mouths of the passers by and they're excused. We chose to save our taxes o so many children already, but the self-preservation instinct is clearly at work here.
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Old 18.10.2011, 22:38
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

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While some of this may be true, I don't see how relevant it is to no one stopping to assist a little girl that was just run over twice from a car. I seriously don't think people are running those statistics thru their heads as they pass a victim on the road..."Well I am Chinese, and alot of other children are abandoned in this country so, some one else will get her"

And seriously you have anything that backs up more women equal more stability and peace in a culture? I think that is a little guessing on your part.
I agree that people aren't running the statistics in their heads....but there are some on this forum who are directly saying that they would think twice about it. Very sad considering that same person thinking twice could be the difference between life or death for a victim. I for one have never hesitated to help a victim and have been shocked a couple of times when I was the only one helping a person out while people JUST WALKED BY. Allowing this world to be a dog-eat-dog world is exactly what's wrong with it and what will eventually kill us all.

On the point about male/female ratio, here's an interesting article back in 2004 that discussed this problem that's continuing to escalate in China and India:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3933485.stm

And I still maintain that if it were a boy, it could have been a different outcome. My mother is an immigrant from a similar kind of culture (favoring boys) and even though I'm American born and raised, life was hell at times when she shoved her bias down my throat; and we still don't get along because she can't understand how I justify my equality with men. Fortunately, I've had great experiences with the men in my life but those good men do not represent the viewpoints of most men in the world. And last I checked, men still commit more violence in this world. Always have. And sadly, I don't see that ever changing.

This is NOT, by the way, man-bashing as there are plenty of good men out there. It's about justice and equality for all and I believe that if more men stood up for women's rights, things would change very quickly; but I could never understand why I rarely see that. I see news stories, documentaries of women helping women but where are our good men helping women??
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

Many on the social networking site believed the reluctance of nearly 20 pedestrians and drivers to help Yueyue could be put down to the "Nanjing judge".
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

What worries me Castro is what kind of ghoul are you? Its one thing telling people about it, another is putting a link up to show people a child dying so tragically. What is your next link show people hostages heads being chopped off? This is a forum and many different kind of people of different sensitivities they dont need mindless idiots like you sticking links were any child can press it. Telling was enough!
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What worries me Castro is what kind of ghoul are you? Its one thing telling people about it, another is putting a link up to show people a child dying so tragically. What is your next link show people hostages heads being chopped off? This is a forum and many different kind of people of different sensitivities they dont need mindless idiots like you sticking links were any child can press it. Telling was enough!
You don't really watch the news, do you? this video is on all major channels. Here, for example CBS: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_1...91-503543.html

The video is on thousands of pages where it is more likely that a child sees it. We live in a world where you can easily find anything online - if you want to watch decapitation videos... no problem. So yes, kids need to be better prepared for what they find "out there" than in my generation - much better. But I find it interesting that you consider the EF a children website.

If you are that sensitive - don't click on the play button.
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What worries me Castro is what kind of ghoul are you? Its one thing telling people about it, another is putting a link up to show people a child dying so tragically. What is your next link show people hostages heads being chopped off? This is a forum and many different kind of people of different sensitivities they dont need mindless idiots like you sticking links were any child can press it. Telling was enough!
Maybe if he put a giant warning before the link saying it was extremely disturbing.....oh hang on

I can vouch that Castro is definitely no "ghoul" but a decent bloke who as you can read, found that story as upsetting as the rest of us.
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

Not dead yet. http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/18/wo...r-hit-and-run/

(Not so distressing as the video, and has background information).
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

Oh my dear God, this is just unbelievable! I am so shocked I can't stop crying!! What is happening to this world, how can these people be so cruel and cold-hearted? Sick... it makes me sick!!
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Maybe if he put a giant warning before the link saying it was extremely disturbing.....oh hang on

I can vouch that Castro is definitely no "ghoul" but a decent bloke who as you can read, found that story as upsetting as the rest of us.
In addition to what Mimi1981 has said, keep in mind that this video has been posted internationally by all forms of media.

Posting on the forum makes absolutely no difference.

It is distressing, and I don't think anyone here disputes that.

The important thing here is not to point the finger and blame people, but rather use the images to see what you can do to make things a better place.

For most people, I don't think simply "Telling" them a story has enough effect anymore as it will simply be fobbed off as a story..... to see it with your own eyes is a MASSIVE reality check.




Yesterday, a homeless girl was "hungry" and wanted money for food.

I object to giving money......... so I bought her a Hamburger and drink instead.

It's time to stop walking past people in need and do something.


you could ask yourself - "What did I do?"
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Yesterday, a homeless girl was "hungry" and wanted money for food.

I object to giving money......... so I bought her a Hamburger and drink instead.

It's time to stop walking past people in need and do something.

you could ask yourself - "What did I do?"
Well, I honestly agree with your general view that people should care a bit more. But I have happened to make a social year instead of the army service in Germany and I can tell you that "really caring" is sometimes to do the exact opposite of what you just described above:

There is no need at all to be homeless in Switzerland (or most parts of central Europe for that matter). The authorities provide the ones in need with shelter. I know cause a friend of mine spend his social year there helping the homeless, so I have been to one myself playing some cards with some of the gentlemen...
Problem: These shelters don't allow drugs or alcohol. So what happens is that they are crowded in winter when it's cold and absolutely deserted in summer - it's much easier to beg for food and money than trying to get your life back on track.
So as hard as it sounds - I strongly believe that in Switzerland, not giving them something is the right choice and if everyone did so, they would be more open for the help that is available - help that not only fills the stomach once but actually help for a long term perspective.

Ok, and not back to the topic.
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Problem: These shelters don't allow drugs or alcohol. So what happens is that they are crowded in winter when it's cold and absolutely deserted in summer - it's much easier to beg for food and money than trying to get your life back on track.

So as hard as it sounds - I strongly believe that in Switzerland, not giving them something is the right choice and if everyone did so, they would be more open for the help that is available - help that not only fills the stomach once but actually help for a long term perspective.
I absolutely agree. When I lived in London, I used to give regularly to Shelter on the basis that they offer beds, food and rehab support to those in need. I figured this was a much more positive way to tackle the problem than giving money directly, which doesn't help address any of the underlying causes.
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

whats really shocking is its doesn't surprise me
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the problem than giving money directly, which doesn't help address any of the underlying causes.

In case you 'missed' my point, I'll post again

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I object to giving money.........


I realise exactly the same thing.

My point is that, we have an excuse NOT to do something every time.

eg.
don't help injured people unless you are qualified.
don't stop a fight or you'll get stabbed.
don't help at a traffic accident or you'll get fined.


The list goes on....... all giving perfectly good reasons NOT to do something.


In my case, I chose not to give the money because I know that doesn't help- but I couldn't walk past hunger.


I'm not trying to make a point about homeless people. That was just the oportunitiy that presented itself at the time.


I am saying we should change our attitude in ALL aspects in regards to helping people.
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Yesterday, a homeless girl was "hungry" and wanted money for food.

I object to giving money......... so I bought her a Hamburger and drink instead.

It's time to stop walking past people in need and do something.
The homeless girl was very polite. If you did that in the U.K. you'd quite likely get the food refused.

How can you buy drugs or alcohol with a hamburger?
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

I dont see anything wrong in Castro posting the video. Are we trying to live like a frog in the well by assuming the world is a Utopia?
This is happening in our world too. If not do something about it we learn to count our blessings for not going through what the child's mother had to.

We grow,evolve or learn some lessons in life from others misery , unfortunate that this small girl had to die this way. Condolences to her family.
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

Wow what a bunch of ghouls then try and justify everything by saying its alright to post this because its for the common good. Yes we should become less sensitive and we should put horrific scenes every where because its the norm. Then patronise the whole process by going off point and discussing how good you are??? Well let me tell you this watching and wanting to watch a child die is ghoulish. There is a little bit of you good people who have a little medieval touch to you you cannot but resist to see these ghoulish parts of the world and your curiosity gets the better of you because you prefer to see to believe. After all it is for the common good bloody ghouls!
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Wow what a bunch of ghouls then try and justify everything by saying its alright to post this because its for the common good. Yes we should become less sensitive and we should put horrific scenes every where because its the norm. Then patronise the whole process by going off point and discussing how good you are??? Well let me tell you this watching and wanting to watch a child die is ghoulish. There is a little bit of you good people who have a little medieval touch to you you cannot but resist to see these ghoulish parts of the world and your curiosity gets the better of you because you prefer to see to believe. After all it is for the common good bloody ghouls!
I am guessing Ghoul is your word of the day, eh?
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...Yesterday, a homeless girl was "hungry" and wanted money for food.

I object to giving money......... so I bought her a Hamburger and drink instead.
Done that in London. The fakes will turn you down. Those who have a need won't. You can also stop and chat. Being treated like a human being - priceless.
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

Hoslo, did it cross your mind that, if not most, surely many of us just read the text and did not watch the images?? You know, that is a possibility.
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