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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

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I too, kept hoping she will somehow wake up and be ok... so, so sad... Rest in peace baby girl...
It is better that she died - in my opinion - because she was so crushed. She would have been terribly disabled, and probably had a lifetime of more suffering to face.

Something someone said, or I read somewhere, gives solace to happenings like this ........... "Why do such tragedies happen? .... and the answer was:

Sometimes people are not people, they are angels, and they arrive on earth to live a type of life, and die a type of death, so that people will become aware of what is wrong. Their death is never wasted - as long as something is learned from it.
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

Hi simon-ch, just seeing your response now which, for the most part, I agree with, but think you might have misunderstood my post.

Just to clarify, I was not holding China up as paragons of health and safety. instead I was referring specifically to Olympe's post which I felt insinuated that both Chinese belief systems and the nation's poor safety standards was somehow evidence that Chinese parents did not love or value their own children as much as their western counterparts which I found offensive.

I was making the point that in my own country, growing up, similar practices were commonplace but had nothing to do with how much a parent loved their child but simply demonstrated the lack of awareness, education and importance placed on such matters at that time, until legislation enforcing the wearing of seat belts came in and changed all that.

I am no expert but I am aware that (like every country) China has it's own set of serious and depressing social issues (many of them culturally specific), that have been shaped by the historical legacy of the country's own unique political, cultural and sociological landscape and aggravated in more recent times by specific social policies, as well as chaotic, ruthless and environmentally disastrous rapid economic growth.



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Not really Nastarana, everyone who lived in China could confirm the generally very lax attitude towards safety.

Kids are often left alone because parents are at work if grandparents can't help out, which seems to have been the case with the poor toddler as well, as the mother only noticed much later that her kids was in an accident.


And there's a general disregard for the wellbeing of others in mainland China, which indeed is a huge topic for Chinese netizens who often put the blame for China's moral decline on capitalism, corruption, a society without values, the disintegration of communities, the get rich first-attitude or any combination of them.

And last but not least let's not forget that China is in many cases still a very poor country with little respect for life.
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Old 01.11.2011, 21:58
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

Heard on the radio earlier (English Show) that a 4 year old was hit, hard, by a car near Liestal. Driver drove off.
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

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Heard on the radio earlier (English Show) that a 4 year old was hit, hard, by a car near Liestal. Driver drove off.

Truly terrible..so much for the story of the Good Samaritian!
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

Olympe, please see my post above. I am absolutely appalled and greatly saddened by the human rights violations, disregard for human life and the devastating effects of the one-child policy on chinese society as a whole and on women and girls in particular.

However, you used an example of chinese parents letting their child "move back and forth from the front of the car to the back seats, standing in between the parents with the gears in the middle" and what I would consider a complete misunderstanding of the eastern spiritual concept of "fate" to show how you were not surprised that an incident like the tragic one discussed in the thread would happen in China, which sounded to me like you were suggesting, when taken into account with the rest of your post, that chinese parents love their children less than other parents.

It is one thing to recognise a country's indifference, negligence and cruelty to the vulnerable in their society but quite another to make the leap that a whole people love their OWN children less than any other group of people. This suggestion is extremely offensive and smacks of some sort of Chinese social inferiority. That is what I objected to, nothing else. I have had chinese friends over the years who were just as devoted and loving to their children as the next nationality/race etc.

I guess I didn't quite get the connection between the thread story and example you gave and felt your line of thinking was somewhat insidious, nearly going as far as suggesting a chinese parent wouldn't care if their child dies because ah well "if something happens, well it's not in their hands".

I apologise if I came across overly confrontational and I'm sure that is not what you meant at all.

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I lived 4 years in shanghai, gave birth to my second baby in a chinese hospital and my husband was the only foreigner working for a chinese company in rural china. We talked about this little girl in the staffroom at my school in Hong Kong with the mandarin teachers last week and they didn't deny that the mentalities need to change just like things need to improve in other places. and who talk about moral authority there? As a foreigner my oby agreed to tell me the sex of my baby during a scan but that is often not allowed . This is not generalisation this is a fact and my experience.
We have a friend ,in a early thirties who was rised up by her aunt but totally bullied and considered like nothing just because she was a girl. SHe had a very sad childhood. That is not generalisation but the experience of a friend. things do improve but still.
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Old 01.11.2011, 23:46
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

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Just to clarify, I was not holding China up as paragons of health and safety. instead I was referring specifically to Olympe's post which I felt insinuated that both Chinese belief systems and the nation's poor safety standards was somehow evidence that Chinese parents did not love or value their own children as much as their western counterparts which I found offensive.
Ok, fully agree. Chinese parents really love and pamper their kids to no end if they can afford it, especially as they are the only child. It's just that many parents work really, really hard, so they have very little attention and time for the kids, which is the reason why this little girl could walk on the street without anyone noticing for so long. The parents seem very decent though, they have donated all the compensation and donations from others for a good cause and have refused to keep anything themselves. From the Chinese sources I've read they seemed absolutely devastated to have lost their child, so without a doubt they loved the girl very dearly.
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