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Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

The footage moved me to tears. Something is seriously wrong with a society when a dying child can be treated with such blind indifference. I'm really lost for words.

Toddler hit and run ignites global anger
Updated: 08:03, Tuesday October 18, 2011

There has been worldwide condemnation after vision from China emerged on YouTube of a toddler being hit and run over by a van in a busy market.

Yue Yue, 2, had wandered away from her mother in a busy Foshan market.

In the footage, a white van is seen knocking her over. The driver stops before fleeing the scene, leaving Yue Yue injured and bleeding on the road.

Following the incident, a man walks by, ignoring the two-year-old lying on the ground.

No less than 18 people walk, ride or drive past the injured girl.

A rubbish collector finally raised the alarm several minutes later.

Yue Yue was taken for emergency surgery but was later pronounced brain dead.

Millions have left comments on blogs in China, with one user saying it was the day the superpower lost its humanity.

Some however say it is evidence of a society too poor to help, frightened of what it would cost should they be blamed.

Police have detained the two drivers involved.

Warning - Please be aware that this video is extremely distressing



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Old 18.10.2011, 01:29
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

Sad isn┤t it, and I have seen such things in the poorest of places too ( South India ) - I guess where there are too many people, the value of a life decreases.

Last Saturday an Oriental looking man was thought to be dead from OD near the Volkshaus ZH ( cold torso and not breathing ), but it did not stop passers by from frantically calling emergency services who managed to somehow revive him in the end. Such instances remind me of precious every life is in CH and like countries.
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Old 18.10.2011, 01:31
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

The Western world fears helping strangers due to lawsuits.

This is China's version: "...criticized the phenomenon of people passing by without helping, caused at least in part by previous extortion attempts from the injured and their families who have sometimes tried to blame the person helping."

It also happens in Switzerland - a couple of months ago a friend of a friend died in Zurich lying in a pool of blood after being beaten up. Many people passed him without helping.
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

A few weeks ago, I saw a barely one year old baby playing in the middle of the street next to an intersection. She had nothing but a body on. I saw a woman walking behind her, not paying to my attention but getting closer and the baby getting closer to the intersection. I held my breath and hoped she would snap out of her bubble and move her butt to get to the baby before the baby got to the intersection. She proceeded to walk right by her. I yelled and ask her what she was doing! She shrugged her shoulders and said it wasn't her child. I put my two year old in the stroller, and at eight months pregnant RAN across the street to get to the baby who was now entering the intersection. This is the last intersection before the train station. It is after a curve and at the bottom of a hill. If I hadn't run, she would have been hit by a car. If I hadn't had two children after getting her, I would have run after the woman to ask her how anyone could be that heartless.
It does happen anywhere and everywhere. Really it does. I will never forget the sight of that woman, willing to see a baby hit by a car because it wasn't hers.
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

I watched the first 10 seconds before having to turn it off. That is truly disgusting that people could ignore a dying babe like that.

Not much makes me cry but that has really upset me.

Poor, poor little mite.
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

I just made the mistake of watching this video on another website, I wish I hadn't. How for God's sake can people be so heartless? So many people either walked past or drove around the poor poor child, I despair for humanity sometimes.
Thank Goodness there are still good people in the world, like those who helped the man in Zurich.
I will probably get groaned for this next comment, but China has a history of ill-treatment of animals, and children too, especially girls. Even when someone did help the little girl, she was picked up as if she was a rag doll, and where was the mother while this was happening?
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

Do you really need to post such a video?
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Even when someone did help the little girl, she was picked up as if she was a rag doll...
To be fair, she would react like a rag doll after being run over several times and it's understandable if the woman who intervened wanted to move her out of the way of other vans.

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I don't think we need to visually see everything that is disgusting to be just as shocked or to believe if it is true or not. ...I think it's macabre to watch something like that, especially if in the title it says what is going to happen.
Very true. Having clicked on the video, I do not feel good about choosing to do so. It is gratuitous and it's not as if watching it or having virtual discussions about it will undo what happened.

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If I hadn't run, she would have been hit by a car. If I hadn't had two children after getting her, I would have run after the woman to ask her how anyone could be that heartless.
It does happen anywhere and everywhere. Really it does. I will never forget the sight of that woman, willing to see a baby hit by a car because it wasn't hers.
There is something seriously wrong - as in sick, deeply mentally disturbed - with this kind of people. I admire you for what you've done, despite having your own huge responsibility, God bless you.
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Helping the child must have been socially or economically non-viable.
I am quite shocked nobody here had yet the courage to say that the citizens had right to their own life. Put a few "planned parenthood" like euphemisms in the mouths of the passers by and they're excused. We chose to save our taxes o so many children already, but the self-preservation instinct is clearly at work here.
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

What worries me Castro is what kind of ghoul are you? Its one thing telling people about it, another is putting a link up to show people a child dying so tragically. What is your next link show people hostages heads being chopped off? This is a forum and many different kind of people of different sensitivities they dont need mindless idiots like you sticking links were any child can press it. Telling was enough!
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What worries me Castro is what kind of ghoul are you? Its one thing telling people about it, another is putting a link up to show people a child dying so tragically. What is your next link show people hostages heads being chopped off? This is a forum and many different kind of people of different sensitivities they dont need mindless idiots like you sticking links were any child can press it. Telling was enough!
You don't really watch the news, do you? this video is on all major channels. Here, for example CBS: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_1...91-503543.html

The video is on thousands of pages where it is more likely that a child sees it. We live in a world where you can easily find anything online - if you want to watch decapitation videos... no problem. So yes, kids need to be better prepared for what they find "out there" than in my generation - much better. But I find it interesting that you consider the EF a children website.

If you are that sensitive - don't click on the play button.
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What worries me Castro is what kind of ghoul are you? Its one thing telling people about it, another is putting a link up to show people a child dying so tragically. What is your next link show people hostages heads being chopped off? This is a forum and many different kind of people of different sensitivities they dont need mindless idiots like you sticking links were any child can press it. Telling was enough!
Maybe if he put a giant warning before the link saying it was extremely disturbing.....oh hang on

I can vouch that Castro is definitely no "ghoul" but a decent bloke who as you can read, found that story as upsetting as the rest of us.
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

Not dead yet. http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/18/wo...r-hit-and-run/

(Not so distressing as the video, and has background information).
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

Oh my dear God, this is just unbelievable! I am so shocked I can't stop crying!! What is happening to this world, how can these people be so cruel and cold-hearted? Sick... it makes me sick!!
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Maybe if he put a giant warning before the link saying it was extremely disturbing.....oh hang on

I can vouch that Castro is definitely no "ghoul" but a decent bloke who as you can read, found that story as upsetting as the rest of us.
In addition to what Mimi1981 has said, keep in mind that this video has been posted internationally by all forms of media.

Posting on the forum makes absolutely no difference.

It is distressing, and I don't think anyone here disputes that.

The important thing here is not to point the finger and blame people, but rather use the images to see what you can do to make things a better place.

For most people, I don't think simply "Telling" them a story has enough effect anymore as it will simply be fobbed off as a story..... to see it with your own eyes is a MASSIVE reality check.




Yesterday, a homeless girl was "hungry" and wanted money for food.

I object to giving money......... so I bought her a Hamburger and drink instead.

It's time to stop walking past people in need and do something.


you could ask yourself - "What did I do?"
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Yesterday, a homeless girl was "hungry" and wanted money for food.

I object to giving money......... so I bought her a Hamburger and drink instead.

It's time to stop walking past people in need and do something.

you could ask yourself - "What did I do?"
Well, I honestly agree with your general view that people should care a bit more. But I have happened to make a social year instead of the army service in Germany and I can tell you that "really caring" is sometimes to do the exact opposite of what you just described above:

There is no need at all to be homeless in Switzerland (or most parts of central Europe for that matter). The authorities provide the ones in need with shelter. I know cause a friend of mine spend his social year there helping the homeless, so I have been to one myself playing some cards with some of the gentlemen...
Problem: These shelters don't allow drugs or alcohol. So what happens is that they are crowded in winter when it's cold and absolutely deserted in summer - it's much easier to beg for food and money than trying to get your life back on track.
So as hard as it sounds - I strongly believe that in Switzerland, not giving them something is the right choice and if everyone did so, they would be more open for the help that is available - help that not only fills the stomach once but actually help for a long term perspective.

Ok, and not back to the topic.
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Problem: These shelters don't allow drugs or alcohol. So what happens is that they are crowded in winter when it's cold and absolutely deserted in summer - it's much easier to beg for food and money than trying to get your life back on track.

So as hard as it sounds - I strongly believe that in Switzerland, not giving them something is the right choice and if everyone did so, they would be more open for the help that is available - help that not only fills the stomach once but actually help for a long term perspective.
I absolutely agree. When I lived in London, I used to give regularly to Shelter on the basis that they offer beds, food and rehab support to those in need. I figured this was a much more positive way to tackle the problem than giving money directly, which doesn't help address any of the underlying causes.
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Re: Shocking scenes as passers-by ignore dying toddler, 2, in China

whats really shocking is its doesn't surprise me
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the problem than giving money directly, which doesn't help address any of the underlying causes.

In case you 'missed' my point, I'll post again

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I object to giving money.........


I realise exactly the same thing.

My point is that, we have an excuse NOT to do something every time.

eg.
don't help injured people unless you are qualified.
don't stop a fight or you'll get stabbed.
don't help at a traffic accident or you'll get fined.


The list goes on....... all giving perfectly good reasons NOT to do something.


In my case, I chose not to give the money because I know that doesn't help- but I couldn't walk past hunger.


I'm not trying to make a point about homeless people. That was just the oportunitiy that presented itself at the time.


I am saying we should change our attitude in ALL aspects in regards to helping people.
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