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Old 21.10.2011, 11:58
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Re: Gaddafi The Former Libyan Leader is DEAD!!!

Just playing devils advocate for a minute, but did these dictators really do anything 'that' bad? if you look at the surrounding countries they are in a perpetual state of war, where very very bad things happen on a daily basis, these guys get into power and bring relative peace, sure if you oppose them then bad things will happen to you, but for the normal man on the street you have a safe and stable life, are the amount of lives taken by these dictators more then having 40 years of fighting plus the lives lost in the west bombing them back into the dark ages and the inevitable civil war, only for another dictator to eventually rise out of the ashes. I really don't think so.
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Old 21.10.2011, 12:01
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The countries involved have already started showing their true colours...

Is that from the Daily Mail?
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Is that from the Daily Mail?

5h!T How did you know?

*ducks for cover like Gaddafi and shouts "don't shoot!"*
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Re: Gaddafi The Former Libyan Leader is DEAD!!!

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5h!T How did you know?
If you run the piece through Google translate, the first paragraph says "Will house prices in Sirte go down following the death of Ghaddafi?"

So I knew.
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Old 21.10.2011, 12:58
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Just playing devils advocate for a minute, but did these dictators really do anything 'that' bad? if you look at the surrounding countries they are in a perpetual state of war, where very very bad things happen on a daily basis, these guys get into power and bring relative peace, sure if you oppose them then bad things will happen to you, but for the normal man on the street you have a safe and stable life, are the amount of lives taken by these dictators more then having 40 years of fighting plus the lives lost in the west bombing them back into the dark ages and the inevitable civil war, only for another dictator to eventually rise out of the ashes. I really don't think so.
Yes - my thoughts exactly. And I think there were (and still are!) worse ones than Gaddafi around.
And I find the 'jubilation' over this barbaric execution without trial, completely sickening.
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Just playing devils advocate for a minute, but did these dictators really do anything 'that' bad? if you look at the surrounding countries they are in a perpetual state of war, where very very bad things happen on a daily basis, these guys get into power and bring relative peace, sure if you oppose them then bad things will happen to you, but for the normal man on the street you have a safe and stable life, are the amount of lives taken by these dictators more then having 40 years of fighting plus the lives lost in the west bombing them back into the dark ages and the inevitable civil war, only for another dictator to eventually rise out of the ashes. I really don't think so.
Actually Libya was doing OK.
It had the highest Human Development Index on the continent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...elopment_Index
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Old 21.10.2011, 13:50
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The countries involved have already started showing their true colours...

Seems reasonable to be paid for services provided? What major services do you provide for free?

Positive is if they do get paid then they can start the next action; I would guess Syria or Yemen??
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Old 21.10.2011, 13:54
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The man is responsable of 1000s of death. He didn't deserve to be treated with respect.

BUT to kill him, humiliate him and drag his body around is barbaric. Somehow understandable considering the hate he created by keeping his population in a fear statement for over 40 years.

But they would have had better use of him alive and in front of the justice. Dead, he is not paying nor surfering for what he did.

Happy they got him but feel very uncomfortable of what they did to him. I would probably feel like them if I was a victim of his regime.

Hope something good will come out of this, hope Libya will have a better futur... Inshallah!

What is the problem? They did have the decency to wait until he was dead
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Old 21.10.2011, 13:55
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Yes - my thoughts exactly. And I think there were (and still are!) worse ones than Gaddafi around.
And I find the 'jubilation' over this barbaric execution without trial, completely sickening.
At least Ghaddafi had a sense of humour (and refused to follow the crowds in terms of dress sense), which you can't exactly say about the Assads or King Abdullahs of this world.
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Old 21.10.2011, 14:12
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Seems reasonable to be paid for services provided? What major services do you provide for free?

Positive is if they do get paid then they can start the next action; I would guess Syria or Yemen??
I think you can't claim the moral high ground if you are just a mere mercenary for the NTC...

Anyway the UK and France are not so stupid to take such a short sighted move anyway... They would rather pretend it was all for the good cause of bringing democracy and liberating the Libyan people, and instead rely on long term trade contracts that will bring in those 2 billions or whatever many times over
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Old 21.10.2011, 14:19
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Sorry Nil I do not think that allah will get much of a look in, first of all scores will be settled in the usual african way, only instead of pangas there are a lot of AK´s flying around, then the rebels will splinter along tribal lines and start fighting each other over control, the so-called tempory government will be seen as a western puppet as soon as the oil flows, some tribal groups will not like the other tribe getting the same oil benefits.
The usual stuff.
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At the same time the religious coconuts will start to agitate and do thier god stuff.
We will see that some of the people will be longing for the stability, sorry "stability" of the gadaffy regime.
The lid is off and the pot will boil over.

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Old 21.10.2011, 14:23
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I think you can't claim the moral high ground if you are just a mere mercenary for the NTC...

Anyway the UK and France are not so stupid to take such a short sighted move anyway... They would rather pretend it was all for the good cause of bringing democracy and liberating the Libyan people, and instead rely on long term trade contracts that will bring in those 2 billions or whatever many times over

There is a precedent; Kuwait paid out after the West evicted Sadam.

Charging for services does not automatically mean you have low morals?

I see you are avoiding the elephant in the room which is this action was a UN security council decision; not a UK/France initiative.
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Old 21.10.2011, 14:26
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Actually Libya was doing OK.
It had the highest Human Development Index on the continent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...elopment_Index

I suppose if you were sitting in one of Gadaffi's jails having your finger nails pulled out or whatever was top of the menu that week it was very comforting to know Libya had the highest Human Development Index on the continent
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I suppose if you were sitting in one of Gadaffi's jails having your finger nails pulled out or whatever was top of the menu that week it was very comforting to know Libya had the highest Human Development Index on the continent
Come on, you should know that if people are tortured it is not because the big guy is bad but because they didn't listen!

They can have a great life if only they learn to shut up, right?

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I suppose if you were sitting in one of Gadaffi's jails having your finger nails pulled out or whatever was top of the menu that week it was very comforting to know Libya had the highest Human Development Index on the continent

and you recon that will change now? it will just be some other poor sap having his fingernails removed now. same shit, different day
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Old 21.10.2011, 14:40
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and you recon that will change now? it will just be some other poor sap having his fingernails removed now. same shit, different day
Why just not give them a chance to change things? Why being so cynical?
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Why just not give them a chance to change things? Why being so cynical?
experience?

oil?

or just a good look at Sarko?

Whenever the UK and France get together to play military games in the former colonies, has it ever been for any good other than their own?
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Why just not give them a chance to change things? Why being so cynical?
its the way the world has made me, how can the west berate other countries for torture when we still practice it, the only difference being we are better at covering it up or making sure the victims are not found.

going on recent western lead regime changes the worst is yet to come
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its the way the world has made me, how can the west berate other countries for torture when we still practice it, the only difference being we are better at covering it up or making sure the victims are not found.
or outsourcing interrogation to countries where torture is legal?
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