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Old 22.10.2011, 15:18
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Re: Gaddafi The Former Libyan Leader is DEAD!!!

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Old 22.10.2011, 15:27
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Oh yes! Democracy brought to you and yours

Surely the Libyans are gonna wise up to this? Surely! It would be the biggest slap in the west's face... But I'm not holing my breath

Out of all this hoopla and whatever has been said in this thread (yes, I've read it all), the general theme of your posts has me wondering -

If you hate the west so much - as you seem to - what are you doing here? Surely you can use your smarts and savvy about the big bad west to help things along in the east and middle east?
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Old 22.10.2011, 15:38
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Out of all this hoopla and whatever has been said in this thread (yes, I've read it all), the general theme of your posts has me wondering -

If you hate the west so much - as you seem to - what are you doing here? Surely you can use your smarts and savvy about the big bad west to help things along in the east and middle east?
Well, he is entitled to his opinion and I actually think TLD sees things rather clearly.
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Old 22.10.2011, 16:05
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Hold on a second their sir Matron, there are a hundred and one sweeping generalisations in that statement alone!

It's not a democracy? Well let's assume it's not, by the west's own democratic rules, one of the main principles is sovereignty, which in lament's terms means it's none of the west's damn business! Period! People in those countries can work it out for themselves even if it takes them a millenia, they did it in Tunisia without western intervention, and they did it in Egypt without western intervention and guess what it was only a few months ago, but when the west gets involved and takes sides it starts to stink! The former leaders of Tunisia and Egypt have / are facing trials (Ben Ali was sentenced in absentia to 35 years and ailing Mubarek is still being tried) which is light years ahead of the public lynching and assassination of Gaddafi and his sons brought on by... wait for it... the west and it's apprentice the NTC. Now I'm not an expert on democracy but I'd say that what happened in Tunisia and Egypt is more than democratic in my eyes and the west was neither needed or wanted for that matter.

You can not vote or start political parties? In which countries exactly? It might be worth starting a debate about the maturity of the political parties and voting systems in those countries (in another thread) but it's certainly not true that they don't exist so I'm gonna ignore that comment of yours.



I'm not sure who you're trying to kid here The western democratic model is not without it's flaws, the main important part is that people don't stick their noses in other people's business (going back to sovereignty here), the west is simply a big bully, the allies created the UN after they won WW2 as an authority to justify inhumane military attacks against countries who don't share the same ideology, this in itself is undemocratic! Gaddafi might have been a dictator in Libya, the west on the other hand is a dicator of the world! The west will not rest until all other ideologies are subdued and normalised to fit in with it's political and economic agendas'.



This only highlights the flaws of the democratic process. Anyway I think what has happened is not at all a victory but rather a failure of the Libyan people to seize the opportunity and show that the people taking over are more democratic than their previous ruler. From what I've seen they are worse.
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Old 22.10.2011, 16:08
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It doesn't get any more blatant that this... Get over there and 'fill yer boots'
To whom do you think the Libyans should sell their oil
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Old 22.10.2011, 16:30
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Re: Gaddafi The Former Libyan Leader is DEAD!!!

( Graphic video ) on Liveleaks on Gaddafi pleading for his life.


We came, we saw, he died ....
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Old 22.10.2011, 16:37
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Well, he is entitled to his opinion and I actually think TLD sees things rather clearly.

I'm not saying he isn't and doesn't... what I AM saying is that since / if he sees things so clearly, surely he can put that sight to doing some good there instead of blabbing on about it on the internet forum based in and for people in a western nation.

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Old 22.10.2011, 16:58
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( Graphic video ) on Liveleaks on Gaddafi pleading for his life.


We came, we saw, he died ....
Good God!!
The first video is truly horrendous and the second is shameful and embarrassing.

Long live the new Libya and the wonderful, righteous West!!!

(And Peg A - your criticism is thinly-disguised as constructive.)
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Old 22.10.2011, 17:41
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(And Peg A - your criticism is thinly-disguised as constructive.)
Thinly disguised? Was not meant to be disguised at all - thinly or not.

There are ways to get involved in what happens and make attempts to fix things. Those ways really don't involve merely spouting off on an internet forum.

I'm sure there are avenues within the internet which are useful to effect change one desires (I believe some of the nominees for Nobel Peace Prize and other assorted national and global rewards are proof of that) but I really, seriously doubt that a thread on The English Forum.ch is among such avenues.
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Old 22.10.2011, 18:14
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( Graphic video ) on Liveleaks on Gaddafi pleading for his life.


We came, we saw, he died ....
Lot of gunfire in the background; impossible to figure out who was shooting & why.
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Old 22.10.2011, 18:22
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To whom do you think the Libyans should sell their oil
I expect it will be back to business as usual with the Big Five companies ( and countries) that were there before the war. Excep, watch to see if the USA gets gets further in the door than they were over the last few years.
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Old 22.10.2011, 19:57
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More true colours... brought to you by the aspiring middle classes' news paper...

Everybody seems to be looking at the oil slant, that may be a bit narrow minded.
Lybia is sitting on one of the largest fresh water deposits and just like a 1920ies oilfield it is almost untapped, (sorry for the pun) this could supply water for the med-states or Africa for centuries.
Gonna be fun to see what forutne 500`s make the big deals.
I think that the oil is just icing on the cake.
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Good God!!
The first video is truly horrendous and the second is shameful and embarrassing.

Long live the new Libya and the wonderful, righteous West!!!

(And Peg A - your criticism is thinly-disguised as constructive.)
I have just removed Hilary Clinton from my list of role models.
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Old 23.10.2011, 11:19
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I have just removed Hilary Clinton from my list of role models.
Would you mind sharing the rest of the list?

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Re: Gaddafi The Former Libyan Leader is DEAD!!!

1st. Step toward democracy (and not neccessarily last step) is to remove a dictator, and for this purpose help from anyone is welcome.
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Old 23.10.2011, 15:29
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If you hate the west so much - as you seem to - what are you doing here? Surely you can use your smarts and savvy about the big bad west to help things along in the east and middle east?
Firstly I would like to point out that disagreeing with some of the western foreign policies does not necessarily equate to hating the west. Secondly I am not sure where you are leading with the second part of you if statement, and I find it rather rude and slightly condescending and I am not sure I should reply to it.

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I'm not saying he isn't and doesn't... what I AM saying is that since / if he sees things so clearly, surely he can put that sight to doing some good there instead of blabbing on about it on the internet forum based in and for people in a western nation.

Simple.
Isn't 'blabbing on about it', which I would like to refer to as having an opinion slightly different to what's being shoved down our throats by various media types, a good first step towards doing something good there? If my opinion is shared by other people and somehow those people influence other people's opinion and we somehow manage to influence decision makers in the west, isn't that an achievement in doing something good over there?
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Isn't 'blabbing on about it', which I would like to refer to as having an opinion slightly different to what's being shoved down our throats by various media types, a good first step towards doing something good there? If my opinion is shared by other people and somehow those people influence other people's opinion and we somehow manage to influence decision makers in the west, isn't that an achievement in doing something good over there?

Yes to both questions.
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Old 23.10.2011, 22:29
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( Graphic video ) on Liveleaks on Gaddafi pleading for his life.
His son Mutassim showed a lot more contempt for his captors, but still he shouldn't have been executed. That constitutes a war crime for which the NTC should be held accountable.

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Re: Gaddafi The Former Libyan Leader is DEAD!!!

No one deserve to die like this... Not even the chacals.

This is very shameful.
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