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Then let's have a look at "Sharia Law". "Sharia" is the Arabic word for ROAD and so, the term basically means "Mainstream Law". What is meant of course is "KORANIC LAW" which means law based on the Koran and the various decrees of the Prophet and first three Kalifs (Abu Bakr, Omar, Othman) before the split into Sunni and Shi'ite parts. Most Arab countries have CIVIL LAW which in principle is "based onto Koranic Law and Muslim principles" whatever this in reality means !
Hopefully this all means that the new Libyan government will not go down the route towards a "strict-constructionist" interpretation of Koranic Law and Muslim principles.
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Old 15.08.2012, 16:35
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Hopefully this all means that the new Libyan government will not go down the route towards a "strict-constructionist" interpretation of Koranic Law and Muslim principles.
All seems a bit theoretical at the moment.
Today on the ground in Libya there appear to be a number of different heavily armed tribal militias in various geographic locations who are enforcing their own rules in their locale including forced migration of "other ethnic groups".
Myself I do not expect to see this situation being pulled together by a central authority any time soon; hopefully I am being pessimistic & it will all come together.
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All seems a bit theoretical at the moment.
Today on the ground in Libya there appear to be a number of different heavily armed tribal militias in various geographic locations who are enforcing their own rules in their locale including forced migration of "other ethnic groups".
Myself I do not expect to see this situation being pulled together by a central authority any time soon; hopefully I am being pessimistic & it will all come together.
Agreed. Would it even be better for the people of "Libya" if the country separated into several separate countries based on ethnic/tribal geography and perhaps maintained an economic commonwealth?
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Old 15.08.2012, 17:20
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Agreed. Would it even be better for the people of "Libya" if the country separated into several separate countries based on ethnic/tribal geography and perhaps maintained an economic commonwealth?
On one side yes
On the other side no; it could finish up like the India/Pakistan split where a lot of people had to move for ethnic reasons which created a lot of anger & an ongoing Cold War.
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Re: Libya Post Qaddafi- Sharia State?



Maybe someone can exlpain what this pic is all about? Clinton with Gaddafi's son? Just curious
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Old 15.08.2012, 17:38
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Maybe someone can exlpain what this pic is all about? Clinton with Gaddafi's son? Just curious
Screams PhotoShop, no shadow under Gadaffi's sons shoes for instance.
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Maybe someone can exlpain what this pic is all about? Clinton with Gaddafi's son? Just curious
She was inviting him to appear on an episode of "What Not to Wear."
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Old 15.08.2012, 17:51
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Screams PhotoShop, no shadow under Gadaffi's sons shoes for instance.
And didnt the Libya flag get changed sometime recently?
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Old 15.08.2012, 18:01
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And didnt the Libya flag get changed sometime recently?
Ya godda love a good PhotoShop fail.
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Re: Libya Post Qaddafi- Sharia State?

Actually found the speech where this picture was taken from... Someone was kind to post the link (*ahem* I guess the video is fake too?)

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Old 15.08.2012, 18:09
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Re: Libya Post Qaddafi- Sharia State?

But I guess in politics... they are all just "friends", right?

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Old 15.08.2012, 18:13
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Re: Libya Post Qaddafi- Sharia State?

Is your google broken ? details of the Clinton-Gaddafi meeting were published by the state department.
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Old 15.08.2012, 18:18
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Re: Libya Post Qaddafi- Sharia State?

Ahh! It's from back then in the 09'ers, that explains it.
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Re: Libya Post Qaddafi- Sharia State?

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All seems a bit theoretical at the moment.
Today on the ground in Libya there appear to be a number of different heavily armed tribal militias in various geographic locations who are enforcing their own rules in their locale including forced migration of "other ethnic groups".
Myself I do not expect to see this situation being pulled together by a central authority any time soon; hopefully I am being pessimistic & it will all come together.
tribal militias are the darlings of the international media. In contrast to all this, reality in Libya are THREE facts
A) a majority of people lives in cities of more than 50'000 inhabitans
B) a heavy majority lives in the coastal areas of Tripolitania & Cyrenaika
C) few governments in the Arab World control the tribal areas

let's add a number FOUR
- the FEZZAN, just as the Sahara Algérienne, never was really integrated into modern day Libya

So that the "central authority" in Libya, just as in Algeria, does and will control the coatal areas with about 75% of the people, but not the remoter areas except some strategic locations. What those in command in Libya have to bring together are Tripoli and Benghazi, Tripolitania and Cyrenaika. Nothing more !
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Re: Libya Post Qaddafi- Sharia State?

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tribal militias are the darlings of the international media. In contrast to all this, reality in Libya are THREE facts
A) a majority of people lives in cities of more than 50'000 inhabitans
B) a heavy majority lives in the coastal areas of Tripolitania & Cyrenaika
C) few governments in the Arab World control the tribal areas

let's add a number FOUR
- the FEZZAN, just as the Sahara Algérienne, never was really integrated into modern day Libya

So that the "central authority" in Libya, just as in Algeria, does and will control the coatal areas with about 75% of the people, but not the remoter areas except some strategic locations. What those in command in Libya have to bring together are Tripoli and Benghazi, Tripolitania and Cyrenaika. Nothing more !
About "the "central authority" in Libya, just as in Algeria, does and will control the coastal areas "
I think things in Libya are not so simple as you would have us believe, from the UK Govt. web site today

We advise against all but essential travel to Zuwara, Az Zawiya, Tripoli, al Khums, Zlitan and Misrata, and the coastal towns from Ras Lanuf to the Egyptian Border, including Benghazi. We advise against all travel to all other areas of Libya.
Violent clashes between armed groups are possible across the country, particularly at night, and even in those places that have previously avoided conflict. These often include the use of heavy weapons. There were recent clashes in Sabha until 2 April, Zuwarah until 4 April, Kufrah until 23 April and in central Tripoli on 8 May. At lunchtime on 4 June militia took control of Tripoli International Airport, however by the evening of 4 June government forces had re-established their control and the incident had ended. An explosion targeted a column of UN vehicles in Benghazi on 10 April. An armed group attacked a prison in Benghazi on 26 April and three explosive devices detonated outside a Benghazi courtroom on 27 April. On 19 August, there were reports of explosions in Tripoli, including near the Ministry of Interior, resulting in some casualties. You should exercise vigilance and caution and monitor local media for further information.
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tribal militias are the darlings of the international media. In contrast to all this, reality in Libya are THREE facts
A) a majority of people lives in cities of more than 50'000 inhabitans
B) a heavy majority lives in the coastal areas of Tripolitania & Cyrenaika
C) few governments in the Arab World control the tribal areas

let's add a number FOUR
- the FEZZAN, just as the Sahara Algérienne, never was really integrated into modern day Libya

So that the "central authority" in Libya, just as in Algeria, does and will control the coatal areas with about 75% of the people, but not the remoter areas except some strategic locations. What those in command in Libya have to bring together are Tripoli and Benghazi, Tripolitania and Cyrenaika. Nothing more !
Looks like they have failed in a massive way to bring it together.

Quote today "Libya has lurched ever closer to fragmentation and civil war this weekend after Islamist-led "Dawn" militias seized the airport in the capital, Tripoli, proclaimed their own government, and presented the world with yet another crisis.
On Sunday, they set airport buildings ablaze, apparently intending to destroy rather than hold the site
."
and
"The victory, which secures Islamist control over Tripoli, was a culmination of weeks of fighting triggered by elections in July, lost by Islamist parties."
and
"Libya's official parliament, the house of representatives, in the eastern city of Tobruk, denounced the attack as illegal, branding Dawn a "terrorist organisation" and announcing a state of war against the group. The move leaves Libya with two governments, one in Tripoli, and one in the east of the country, each battling for the hearts and minds of the country's myriad militias.
and
"Fighting is continuing to the west of Tripoli, while Islamist brigades in Benghazi, 400 miles east, are battling with army units and nationalist militias of the former general Khalifa Hiftar."

AND!!
"Some officials in neighbouring countries fear militants could use planes at the three airports Dawn now controls for terror attacks on surrounding nations.
Those fears were heightened after Dawn officials vowed retaliation against Egypt and the United Arab Emirates, whom they blame for air strikes by unidentified jets, Saturday morning
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Looks like NATO/US/EU will keep out of this one which looks like turning into a second Somalia.

Large areas of the world are turning into battlefields with no "policeman" to enforce rules.
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Re: Libya Post Qaddafi- Sharia State?

Just business as usual in that part of the world now that the big boys have stopped playing, perhaps we should kickstart the cold war again just to keep a lid on things.
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Just business as usual in that part of the world now that the big boys have stopped playing, perhaps we should kickstart the cold war again just to keep a lid on things.
I think we can safely leave that move to Putin!
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Re: Libya Post Qaddafi- Sharia State?

I might talk up my bottom but I feel like this is what the Third World War is about. Everything going on around the world now is raise of extremism. Sadly, I think there is worst to come.
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Old 26.08.2014, 11:35
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Re: Libya Post Qaddafi- Sharia State?

World War 3.5?


From today's Guardian "The United Arab Emirates has secretly sent warplanes on bombing raids against Islamist militias in Libya over the past week, using bases in Egypt, US officials have said.

The two attacks carried out over seven days mark a dramatic expansion of the conflict as the United States and its European allies denounced "outside interference" in Libya.
The strikes signalled a step toward direct action by regional Arab states that previously have fought proxy wars in Libya, Syria and Iraq in a struggle for power and influence."

About "the United States and its European allies denounced "outside interference" in Libya" ?? Ahem?
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