Baby, mother, grandmother pulled alive from rubble in Turkey

writeup from CNN

Mashallah!

To be an A55hole and knock your faith in humanity, Turkey has just sent troops and tanks into Iraq for a bit of armed murder.

..Two sides of the medallion.

Yes and in one side Kurds are counting their deads in Van and in the other side they are being harassed and physically attacked in Istanbul for the death of 24 soldiers commited by the PKK earlier last week.

Source

So right now / again, it is not a safe place to be in Istanbul if you are a Kurd...

Edit: An other source

The tragedy of the Kurds is that they are still suffering from the FIRST World wars politics, when the Ottoman empire was being split by the Etente in 1916 (Sykes-Picot contract, if I remember correctly) Most of the countries down that bit of the rock that we take for granted today are creatures of of WW1´s post war politics.
They simply forgot to give the Kurds a country.

BS at its best. WW1 and the subsequent disintegration of the Ottoman Empire is the main reason of all the troubles in the ME at the moment, including whats happening in Iraq, Syria and Yemen too. More partitioning (i.e. creating more "ethnic" states like Kurdistan, Alevistan, Lazistan) would have created only more troubles.

The British aimed at an even more partitioned ME and wanted to carve up another 10 little states from Turkey, so that they would war with each other forever while West sucked out the riches of the region.

And Nil, you are talking nonsense too. No body is attacking Kurds in Istanbul or elsewhere, you know this quite well that it is the terrorist group PKK that is being targeted, and there are no problems between Turk and Kurd populations. You should know better!

and WTF? cant we even stop for a while and sympathize and pray for all the people (Kurds and Turks) suffering right now under rubble without inserting irrelevant politics into the discussion? have you lost all human decency, or your hatred completely blinded you?

Äh Hallo? That is just what I said, maybe you should read a bit more with your brain switched on before you groan.

Woah. That was quick. Two posts in and already...

you kidding, right?

To be fair, I don't see much difference between...

and...

But hey, don't let that stop you.

OK, for you geniuses: He is suggesting that Kurds not being given an independent state is the reason for their suffering (check the last sentence) while I suggested it is a bad idea to partition existing countries in smaller ones and that the newly independent small states would engage in constant warfare

carry on though

Yeah? You should ask my family and their neighbours in Umraniye, Istanbul who are harassing them verbally & physically!

Do I know better, hell yes! You shoulod open your eyes and see the reality. Racism and discrimination against kurds still exist and some people will take any events to push it ahead.

Not only the PKK are bad people in that story, you know?

spidey, PLEASE!!!!!

So I'll guess you are against the creation of Palestine, right?

I will (carry on) thank you. Let me summarise for you (as a non-genius):

Both: suggested that it is caused by WWI = agreement (yay!)

Slammer: the Kurds were not given their own State and marginalised (fact)

You: Small states are bad idea (=opinion)

So in summary, you agree on the cause, but the other points you made are different and neither support nor are relevant to the origin of the problem (Kurds have no State).

I'm a genius. Thank you. I'll add that to my CV.

So "genius" tell me where the independent country of Kurdistan is located as I would realy like to know.
The Kurds are in an undefined area in and out of the borders of Turkey, Syria, Armenia, Iraq and Iran.
Now I dont know about you but I would be miffed if the governments of said countries forbade or opressed the use of the word "Kurdistan" and all it contains because some bugger in London forgot that your people existed.
As in "Ah they are all just a bunch of ork´s"
Grab a history book and take a peek under "K" you may find some answers.

I don't think he is a member of those people... More a member of the biggest majority in the country.

Psst Nil, it was a figure of speech... "yours" as in "one's"...

Mud, lovely lovely story in such a big disaster (both in Turkey and on this thread ).

It doesn't matter what's gone on in the rest of the country, that two week old wee'un, mum and grandmother probably don't give a shiny shite right now. They've been plucked from the jaws of death and will live to tell the tale.

Thanks for the link!