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Pull Out of Germany

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/no...aw-germany-mod

How will we keep 'em in check if we can't keep a good close eye on 'em?
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Old 10.11.2011, 17:45
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How will we keep 'em in check if we can't keep a good close eye on 'em?
Unnecessary, times have changed.
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Unnecessary, times have changed.
well, that's what you would say, wouldn't you?
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Re: Pull Out of Germany

I'm surprised they are still there.
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How will we keep 'em in check if we can't keep a good close eye on 'em?
Get better at soccer first ;-)
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Old 10.11.2011, 20:19
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Re: Pull Out of Germany

Always best to pull out if you're not properly protected in the east. Best line of defense is to locate the weakest point of your prey and strike deep in the night, but pulling out can also be advantageous if you'd rather avoid lots of minor Germans ankle biting around your platoons.
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Like a lot of others I'm sure, I didn't realise that the UK had much of a presence there any more, thought BAOR had left a long time previously.

Rather touching quotes from the locals though.

Earlier this year, Rainer Prokop, the mayor of Bergen, a town near the Bergen-Hohne training area, told The Local website: "This is the most severe upheaval for us since the second world war. The British live among us, they are a part of everything here."

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Re: Pull Out of Germany

Did we win the hearts and minds?
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Always best to pull out if you're not properly protected in the east. Best line of defense is to locate the weakest point of your prey and strike deep in the night, but pulling out can also be advantageous if you'd rather avoid lots of minor Germans ankle biting around your platoons.
The British forces should recruit you as their strategic expert.

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Like a lot of others I'm sure, I didn't realise that the UK had much of a presence there any more, thought BAOR had left a long time previously.

Rather touching quotes from the locals though.

Earlier this year, Rainer Prokop, the mayor of Bergen, a town near the Bergen-Hohne training area, told The Local website: "This is the most severe upheaval for us since the second world war. The British live among us, they are a part of everything here."
They are also a large economic factor.
They spend a lot of money in the local economy.
I they leave, that money will be missing.

It's the same with the German armed forces.
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"They are also a large economic factor.
They spend a lot of money in the local economy.
I they leave, that money will be missing.

It's the same with the German armed forces."

Yeah, fairplay though, they were a part of something.
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They are also a large economic factor.
They spend a lot of money in the local economy.
I they leave, that money will be missing.

It's the same with the German armed forces.
If you look at THIS list of BAOR locations

Hannover
Havelsee
Helmstedt
Hemer
Herford
Hilden
Hildesheim
Hinterstein
Holzminden
Hohne
Hook of Holland
Hubbelrath
Husum
Iserlohn
Itzehoe
Jever
Kappeln
Kettwig
Köln
Körbecke/Möhnesee
Kiel
Krefeld
Langeleben
Lehmkuhlen
Lemgo
Liebenau
Lippstadt
Lübeck
Lübbecke
Lüdenscheid
Lüneburg
Menden
Minden
Mönchengladbach/Rheindahlen
Mülheim an der Ruhr
Münster
Munsterlager
Neumünster
Neustadt a. Rbge.
Nieheim
Nienburg
Obernkirchen


Oldenburg
Olen
Osnabrück
Paderborn

Plön
Preetz
Rahlstedt
Ratingen
Ratzeburg
Recklinghausen
Reinsehlen

Rendsburg
Rinteln
Rotenburg
Scharfoldendorf
you realize that these 40'000 to 50'000 people
were spread over a vast area with millions of local
inhabitants, and so, the actual economic impact overall has its limits. Of course, it in many locations IS of paramount importance and the "disappearance" of that force will inevitably lead to businesses in many smaller places having to close down. But the BAOR simply is no longer necessary and so the decision of the UK government is correct

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Did we win the hearts and minds?
God, no. Not in another century. But your cash is welcome.

You win the hearts of local majors thanks to the money an army installation floods into local businesses. And the mentioned place is really out in the sticks - so as soon as the troops leave it will turn into some run down wasteland.

I am from the far west of Germany - the area that was known as the iron triangle during the cold war: Lots of large USAF and Bundeswehr airfields as well as the largest French army outside France. I've seen what small towns look like if suddenly a five digit number of inhabitants leave and it isn't pretty. So I can fully understand if any major hopes they stay there forever.


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Yeah, fairplay though, they were a part of something.
What Rainer meant is that the German army was dramatically reduced over the past twenty years - as there were fairly large on both sides of the iron curtain. Every time the army has to reduce further and wants to close a place it is a local uproar and turns into some mid-sized political battles - more often than not does it then depend what party is currently in charge in the federal government and if this happens to be the same one on state and city level...
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