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Re: Srike on Iran's Military Base. WW3 Anyone?

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Iran TV shows shot US drone
Drone looks in surprisingly good condition; maybe if it loses touch with base it lands automatically? Who knows?

When they said it was shot down; does anybody see any signs of it being shot?

Iran located it pretty quickly so maybe they really did bring it down in some way?
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Old 09.12.2011, 12:43
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Drone looks in surprisingly good condition; maybe if it loses touch with base it lands automatically? Who knows?

When they said it was shot down; does anybody see any signs of it being shot?

Iran located it pretty quickly so maybe they really did bring it down in some way?
actually to be correct: I wrote "shot" down....but according to different media the Iranian claim to have captured the drone by electronic means. Apparently iranians bought some russian jammimg & eletronics warfare called Avtobaza..... too much stories circulating.
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actually to be correct: I wrote "shot" down....but according to different media the Iranian claim to have captured the drone by electronic means. Apparently iranians bought some russian jammimg & eletronics warfare called Avtobaza..... too much stories circulating.
About "Apparently iranians bought some russian jammimg & eletronics warfare called Avtobaza"

I saw that too but even so it is surprising that the drone looks undamaged.

I mean suppose it was flying some miles up & the Iranians could jam the control signals; then I suppose it would just fall out of the sky? Then you would have a big hole in the ground? as said before, "who knows?"
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Re: Srike on Iran's Military Base. WW3 Anyone?

I'll go out on a limb here and say that the Iranians are bluffing big time. If the RQ-170 was indeed out of fuel or ground communications were lost, then it would have crashed, not landed intact.

The fact that the Iranian video does not show any undercarriage or more detail, is probably because there isn't anything to show apart from the trestles supporting the model their carpenters made.

If the RQ-170 had come down in one piece, I'm fairly certain that some US made laser-guided iron munitions would have borne down on it to destroy it and prevent intel falling into Iranian hands.

The above is speculation I know, but the Americans have been spying on all potential enemies since time began. B-45 Tornados, B-57, U-2, SR-71, Corona Project, TR-1, JSTARS and now all the UAVs a formidable series of airborne platforms keeping this world as safe as possible.
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Old 09.12.2011, 13:41
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I'll go out on a limb here and say that the Iranians are bluffing big time. If the RQ-170 was indeed out of fuel or ground communications were lost, then it would have crashed, not landed intact.

The fact that the Iranian video does not show any undercarriage or more detail, is probably because there isn't anything to show apart from the trestles supporting the model their carpenters made.

If the RQ-170 had come down in one piece, I'm fairly certain that some US made laser-guided iron munitions would have borne down on it to destroy it and prevent intel falling into Iranian hands.

The above is speculation I know, but the Americans have been spying on all potential enemies since time began. B-45 Tornados, B-57, U-2, SR-71, Corona Project, TR-1, JSTARS and now all the UAVs a formidable series of airborne platforms keeping this world as safe as possible.
my first thought too, although I did go for GFK.
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About "Apparently iranians bought some russian jammimg & eletronics warfare called Avtobaza"

I saw that too but even so it is surprising that the drone looks undamaged.

I mean suppose it was flying some miles up & the Iranians could jam the control signals; then I suppose it would just fall out of the sky? Then you would have a big hole in the ground? as said before, "who knows?"
Agree. It's definitely a PR from iranian army targeted towards internal audience.
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I'll go out on a limb here and say that the Iranians are bluffing big time. If the RQ-170 was indeed out of fuel or ground communications were lost, then it would have crashed, not landed intact.

The fact that the Iranian video does not show any undercarriage or more detail, is probably because there isn't anything to show apart from the trestles supporting the model their carpenters made.

If the RQ-170 had come down in one piece, I'm fairly certain that some US made laser-guided iron munitions would have borne down on it to destroy it and prevent intel falling into Iranian hands.

The above is speculation I know, but the Americans have been spying on all potential enemies since time began. B-45 Tornados, B-57, U-2, SR-71, Corona Project, TR-1, JSTARS and now all the UAVs a formidable series of airborne platforms keeping this world as safe as possible.
Why would they bluff? Having US drone is probably great but talking about it could be dangerous. This looks like a good excuse for the US military strike.
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Old 09.12.2011, 15:14
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Re: Srike on Iran's Military Base. WW3 Anyone?

I dunno. Having looked at the video the "drone" looks more like a dodgy fibreglass mock up than anything else.

Not that I know much about this stuff mind.
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Why would they bluff? Having US drone is probably great but talking about it could be dangerous. This looks like a good excuse for the US military strike.
Domestic politics. Raise the local morale, "Look how marvelous our technology is against the useless imperialist dogs" (for example).

When these kind of nations develop weapons systems, they have to look good during the military parades. The fact that their missiles and electronics may not be up to speed, is irrelevant in the propaganda war. No one knows if the Shahab-3 missile is really going to accurately hit targets 1500 km away from the launch sites for example, but that's not important when you're just threatening.
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I dunno. Having looked at the video the "drone" looks more like a dodgy fibreglass mock up than anything else.

Not that I know much about this stuff mind.

Some newspapers are quoting "military experts" who say the shape of the wings does not look correct.
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Domestic politics. Raise the local morale, "Look how marvelous our technology is against the useless imperialist dogs" (for example).

When these kind of nations develop weapons systems, they have to look good during the military parades. The fact that their missiles and electronics may not be up to speed, is irrelevant in the propaganda war. No one knows if the Shahab-3 missile is really going to accurately hit targets 1500 km away from the launch sites for example, but that's not important when you're just threatening.
I keep getting this mental image of a live fired nuclear tipped Shahab-3 missile going way off course, dropping into the Red Sea & closing the channel for years.
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No one knows if the Shahab-3 missile is really going to accurately hit targets 1500 km away from the launch sites for example, but that's not important when you're just threatening.
Absolute precision is also not so important anymore if you happen to have nuclear warheads...
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Is Shahab not the North Korean No Dong? (don´t snigger) rip off from a ScudB which is nothing more than a V2 with go faster stripes.
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Absolute precision is also not so important anymore if you happen to have nuclear warheads...
True but if your target is, for example, a relatively small country like Israel you do need to be careful to avoid anything dropping in & upsetting the neighbours; who would anyway be the lucky recipients of the fall out. Israel is in an unusual area where it is almost impossible to forecast wind direction.
It is said "Radioactive fallout may travel and settle in areas hundreds of miles from the explosion site. Radioactive fallout may be the most dangerous effect of a nuclear explosion because the area of exposure to fallout is much wider than that of direct nuclear radiation."

From Wikipedia "Israel measures 424 km from north to south and, at its widest point 114 km from east to west.[2] At its narrowest point, however, this is reduced to just 15 km."

So you would need an accuracy of better than 98% to get a missile in place.
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I am incredibly well positioned for an attack to Iran. Patiently waiting for it to happen.
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True but if your target is, for example, a relatively small country like Israel you do need to be careful to avoid anything dropping in & upsetting the neighbours; who would anyway be the lucky recipients of the fall out. Israel is in an unusual area where it is almost impossible to forecast wind direction.
It is said "Radioactive fallout may travel and settle in areas hundreds of miles from the explosion site. Radioactive fallout may be the most dangerous effect of a nuclear explosion because the area of exposure to fallout is much wider than that of direct nuclear radiation."

From Wikipedia "Israel measures 424 km from north to south and, at its widest point 114 km from east to west.[2] At its narrowest point, however, this is reduced to just 15 km."

So you would need an accuracy of better than 98% to get a missile in place.
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I dunno. Having looked at the video the "drone" looks more like a dodgy fibreglass mock up than anything else.

Not that I know much about this stuff mind.
Thinking more about this;
  1. the US have admitted they lost a drone
  2. When a drone falls out of the sky it will most likely hit the ground very hard & smash up.
So maybe the Iranians built a fake drone to give the false impression that they have captured a complete drone & can access the design & technology?
Why? I have no clue!
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Thinking more about this;
  1. the US have admitted they lost a drone
  2. When a drone falls out of the sky it will most likely hit the ground very hard & smash up.
So maybe the Iranians built a fake drone to give the false impression that they have captured a complete drone & can access the design & technology?
Why? I have no clue!
This RQ170, apparently, is designed to land automatically in case it loses connection with its base.
Someone should give an idiot's medal to the guy that ordered that feature.
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Re: Srike on Iran's Military Base. WW3 Anyone?

Odd place to visit - 7 foreign nationals killed in a steel factory.

North Koreans ? Syrians ? Sheffielders ?
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