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19.11.2011, 16:02
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Absolutely horrible ! even more so when you realize that the situation in Morocco and Libya is comparable. Those Africans want to get to Europe (Israel perceived as part of Europe) and while many, possibly a majority succeeds, lots perish, either already enroute in the Arab countries or on their way across the Med  And how they are treated locally is beyond description
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19.11.2011, 16:47
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| | Re: African refugees killed in Sinaii Egypt
They would shoot ANYONE who tries to cross, lots of Egyptians get shot aswell. You know if your an egyptian citizen and you go to israel, you are on permanent surveilance for the rest of your life, besides the fact that you are taken for questioning a billion times. So this is obvious, and its the case in SO many places in the world, you want to cross illegally you get shot. Im not with it, but its just how things are sometimes. Very sad.
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19.11.2011, 16:58
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| | Re: African refugees killed in Sinaii Egypt | Quote: | |  | | | They would shoot ANYONE who tries to cross, lots of Egyptians get shot as well. . | | | | | Try reading all of the information. The shooting is only a small part!
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19.11.2011, 21:25
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| | Re: African refugees killed in Sinaii Egypt
A few points:
1. Most of the africans are not refugees but immigrants.
2. Almost none are shot by Israelis, as they do not pose a threat to the soldiers. the smugglers take them to a pont then tell them to go towards the lights on the road or Eilat.
3. Israel is currently building a fence to stop the smuggling (people, weapons, drugs).
4. It's a shame that Egypt is not promoting peace, but rather spies on it's people who visit Israel.
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20.11.2011, 02:07
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| | Re: African refugees killed in Sinaii Egypt | Quote: | |  | | | A few points:
1. Most of the africans are not refugees but immigrants.
2. Almost none are shot by Israelis, as they do not pose a threat to the soldiers. the smugglers take them to a pont then tell them to go towards the lights on the road or Eilat.
3. Israel is currently building a fence to stop the smuggling (people, weapons, drugs).
4. It's a shame that Egypt is not promoting peace, but rather spies on it's people who visit Israel. | | | | | 1) they are immigrants to Israel and emigrants from their home-countries
2) those who get shot are shot by Egyptian soldiers, but also bad is how many get treated by locals in the el-Arish Directorate
3) Israel is building a fence, alright, the USA has been doing so on the RioGrande-California line for decades, Europe tries to ward off the migrants by increased Naval controls, but people who are ready to take the risks and the pains and the terror to get by feet from Black Africa to the Mediterranean are ready to try to overcome even the last hurdles and the last hindrances
4) all countries spy on its people who visit certain countries. Switzerland did so during the cold war about people who visited Comecon countries and Egypt does do so during the cold peace about people ................ | 
20.11.2011, 09:19
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| | Re: African refugees killed in Sinaii Egypt | Quote: | |  | | | Try reading all of the information. The shooting is only a small part! | | | | | I have but the problem is for me this is not shocking at all! Ive been hearing that my whole life. You always heard on the news or so about people being kidnapped and their organs stollen, or going in to get your tonsils removed and you leave without a kidney lol (yes i find it insanely sick but i must admit makes me laugh in disbelief). So for me this is normal. I could understand ofcourse for someone who haven`t lived in countries like these must be horrible! But this is life, some places are nice and fluffy and others steal peoples organs  .
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