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Re: Police Pepper-Spray Seated Protesters At UC Davis

It's good to read the kind of informed, educated debate which follows those photos in the esteemed "Business Insider".
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Re: Police Pepper-Spray Seated Protesters At UC Davis

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It ends being peaceful if you have been asked several times to leave.
I lived long enough in the USA to know what it is like and am moving there again in a few months.

ALSO these are students that have NEVER worked a day in their live(shy from being a server or the like) just focusing on what their professor said that day.
I did my studies in the USA and by the looks (appearance) of the ones being arrested it is the ones I hated with a passion.

Think what you want to think, but most of us know better. they are protesting for the sake of protesting. Unlike what happened in the middle east
Do you know these students personally? Do you know for a fact they've never "worked a day in their lives". You can just look at them and tell, right. I've worked around and in universities in the US most of my life and I don't have a clue.

The fact remains that it is difficult to get a job in the US, many people go without healthcare, still more are driven into debt by health care costs. Maybe some of the parents of these students. It's about time people got up and raised their voices. No, it's not like the middle east, but people in the US have rolled over and played dead long enough. Maybe these kids are protesting more in general than specifics, but they are raising awareness. And no one protesting in a non violent way deserves pepper spray. It is quite likely denial of first amendment rights. It feels a little like the '60's.

You lived in MN, if I'm not mistaken. All in all, a reasonable area, well except for people like Bachmann. But there are really sh*tty parts of the US too, where you won't be made welcome and good luck finding a job.

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Re: Police Pepper-Spray Seated Protesters At UC Davis

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Awareness of what? They couldn't tell you if their life depended on it.. Such is the sad state of these protests that not a single reasonable demand was voiced. I don't really mind them, but the child-like demands and statements really do little to further their cause.
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Re: Police Pepper-Spray Seated Protesters At UC Davis

Actually, this event is the best thing that those protesters could have hoped for. Otherwise, who wo0uld
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Re: Police Pepper-Spray Seated Protesters At UC Davis

sorry, slip of the mouse. They now got international attention and life everafter on Youtube. They should be thankful to the police for that.

Pepperspray, as unpleasant as it is, is a far cry from rubber bullets, batons, or real bullets. No one suffered any permanant injury, yet the Internet effect is almost the same as if they were fired up on with live rounds.

I totally support them (although at UC Davis they mostly be idealistic, yet well funded kids of well to do families, I know, my sister went there, and I graduated from another UC campus).

But without that piece of video their protest would have gone largely unnoticed. Bravo that they were non violent. Throwing stones at the police afterwards would have neutralized the sympathy.
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something's are brutal and unacceptable.
Agreed. Particularly your abuse of that apostrophe.

I just watched the video of that on the BBC. I laughed. I'm not all that old yet, but even I can remember when "police abuse" and "brutality" consisted of things like Rodney King getting the snot beat out of him with batons. A bit of pepper spray in the face? Unpleasant, sure, and painful, doubtless, but hardly abuse - broken bones, permanent brain damage, that kind of stuff is abuse.

I listened to a woman hysterically screaming "protect yourselves! Close your eyes!" as she recorded before the pepper spray was used. They knew it was coming. They stood up (sat down?) for what they believed - good on 'em, but I'm not going to get up in arms for people who were willing to take a minor inconvenience to get in the newspapers - it's not like they're Ghandi.

To an earlier commenter (I forget who): there's a big difference between protesting FOR something and protesting AGAINST something. One might lead to change. The other is a seemingly-acceptable way to whine.
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Re: Police Pepper-Spray Seated Protesters At UC Davis

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It's good to read the kind of informed, educated debate which follows those photos in the esteemed "Business Insider".
Would the BBC News and comments be "esteemed" enough for you ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15809742

Or would CNN be more to your type of news ...

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/20/us...html?hpt=us_c1
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And there lies the biggest problem in the world today. The ability to hate someone with a passion just by their looks. What a douche bag.

I studied global studies in the USA, which is kind of a hippie major....(yeah wrong major for me)

It was full of people like this with the beards, sloppy clothing, etc etc. given that this is a university setting it is fair to assume the majority of them following a similar major.

Until they all sad down popped out their macs, iphones etc etc and getting wasted in the bar THAT is what I meant with that.

And no it is not my hatred and dislike toward them that is the biggest problem in the world today; it is the fact that people who think they can leech and not work to get things for free and then blaming the working class for their problems. There are tons of jobs to go round....but what do I know, I am a douche bag
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Re: Police Pepper-Spray Seated Protesters At UC Davis

Well, at least pepper spray is a vegetable

http://www.campusbasement.com/undeci...ay-a-vegetable

It's a joke.

And by the way, I don't think you can judge a major by the way someone dresses. I always looked like a hippie in school because I look like one most of the time anyway, and I studied chem and bio as an undergrad, and statistics as a grad student. But then, I was an undergrad before most of you were born. And yes, we did get wasted... but then we studied.

And sorry, Anthony, but I don't see "tons of jobs" going around. I've got family and friends in the US right now who are facing lots of problems. And these are all solidly middle class people, well educated folk who don't sit around on their asses and wait for people to do stuff for them. But these are people who have seen their middle class status erode, benefits diminish, and jobs disappear. Every time I hear "shareholder value" as the reason another company lets people go, I want to gag. So I'm glad people are starting to protest. It's about time.

I never said you were a douche bag....but if that's how you describe yourself... well ok.

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Well since you're not American, I don't think you realize exactly what's been happening in the country. Higher and higher unemployment rates will obviously lead to some people being angry......and yes, others who simply have nothing better to do.

And the police here are seriously breaking the law and violating our constitutional right to peaceful assembly. The only way things will change in the US - and other countries for that matter - are if people stand up for their rights, freedoms, etc. If you're happy with your life, fine. But being against their right to peaceful assembly and protest affects your freedom to do so as well.
I am sure they obtained a court orderIf I would organizing a event like that ,I am sure ,the office of every Congress member would be more effective .Have the law maker, get there arse moving

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And sorry, Anthony, but I don't see "tons of jobs" going around. I've got family and friends in the US right now who are facing lots of problems. And these are all solidly middle class people, well educated folk who don't sit around on their asses and wait for people to do stuff for them. But these are people who have seen their middle class status erode, benefits diminish, and jobs disappear. Every time I hear "shareholder value" as the reason another company lets people go, I want to gag. So I'm glad people are starting to protest. It's about time.

I never said you were a douche bag....but if that's how you describe yourself... well ok.

someone else called me a douche....but whatever.

As for the dresscode it is a generalisation. And I do believe that if you go look on campuses these days that for the most part you can place someone by the way they dress and who they hang out with (personal experience)
And the reason MANY of those well educated middle class people are without jobs is because they don't want to take the lower paying jobs.
I have 2 degrees yet I am currently a bartender next to people who are doing it as a holiday job. It pays my bills, I'm having fun doing it, I dont sit in an office, and it gives me more experience for when I am opening my own bar in the next year. There is ALWAYS a job to be filled , you simply need to put pride aside sometimes and do what you gotta do. thats my opinion. People that go to college these days think that their degree automatically gives them a managerial position or the like; truth be told , your degree is only your foot in the door these days and does not guarantee anything.


Also one must admit that many of these protests do not involve older people. It is mostly students and beginner workers wanting something they have not yet worked for.
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Also one must admit that many of these protests do not involve older people. It is mostly students and beginner workers wanting something they have not yet worked for.


There are older folks in many of these protests. Not UC Davis, obviously.
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And sorry, Anthony, but I don't see "tons of jobs" going around. I've got family and friends in the US right now who are facing lots of problems. And these are all solidly middle class people, well educated folk who don't sit around on their asses and wait for people to do stuff for them. But these are people who have seen their middle class status erode, benefits diminish, and jobs disappear. Every time I hear "shareholder value" as the reason another company lets people go, I want to gag. So I'm glad people are starting to protest. It's about time.
Protest against who and what? Shareholder value? The economy?
The US has to get off its complacent ass and get competitive again, everything else is delusional. You can tax the 1% as much as you want, it will only pay your bread today, not tomorrow. Expecting that a bit of "solidarity" from the rich will pay the way out of crisis is simply not true, the budget deficit is just too vast.
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Re: Police Pepper-Spray Seated Protesters At UC Davis

Yes, the US has to get off its complacent ass - although I suspect that getting off its complacent ass means different things to different people. I think that people need to be aware of what's happening as a first step, and if protests help then go for it.

I think that resources should be directed away from useless wars, that infrastructure needs to be improved and that corporations have way too much power, and that the 1% does not contribute enough in taxes and too much burden is felt by the middle class. It's multi-faceted problem. But I don't think telling people "to get a job" is enough. But that's just my opinion.
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Re: Police Pepper-Spray Seated Protesters At UC Davis

that 1% vs the world is BS in my opinion. They pay taxes based on what they earn and why should they have to pay for the rest of the people? It is that 99% that got themselves in trouble cause they lived outside their means.

I do agree on the war and infrastructure which needs some serious looking at....
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cant help myself....
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