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Police Pepper-Spray Seated Protesters At UC Davis

something's are brutal and unacceptable.

I do not agree with everything that some activists do but this.. it is crossing the line ... surely there are better ways to deal with them ...

watch the video

http://www.businessinsider.com/polic...-video-2011-11
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Re: Police Pepper-Spray Seated Protesters At UC Davis

I agree with what was done to them. clearly warned and blocking the way. If I was a student and wanted to go to class and was hindered by them....

I am very against these people cause it gets nothing done (protest, occupy wallstreet etc etc) go work and find a job or go to school. no sympathy from my behalf for the students.

Everyone is always police state this police state that.....and then they are the first to call when they need them.... .
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Re: Police Pepper-Spray Seated Protesters At UC Davis

I am not a big fan either BUT I still think they could have been dealt with in a different way.

Water spray/canon would have also done the job of dispersing them for arrest... why Pepper-Spray
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Old 19.11.2011, 14:10
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Re: Police Pepper-Spray Seated Protesters At UC Davis

Maybe the police in the UK should use it as a training video to move the activitists away from St Pauls who are now nothing more then a group of complainers who seem to think they are above the law.

About time the police just moved them on like the rest of the civilised world eg USA, Switzerland and Australia all sent the police and moved the silly people. While protesting is one thing the bunch in the UK are doing themselves no good as they seem more intent on totally ignoring legal demands to move and stop occupying land that they have no right to occupy. If anything they are making england look like it is the 18th century and beving like spoilt brats
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Re: Police Pepper-Spray Seated Protesters At UC Davis

Well there is no statement there about what they are protesting about. Maybe they don't like the level of bank charges on their student accounts?

Many people claim to live in a democracy and state they want their lives to be more democratic, but when it comes down to obeying democratic laws they feel they can object in their own selfish way. Stupid immature action, they were warned and they paid the price.
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Re: Police Pepper-Spray Seated Protesters At UC Davis

I'm all for a police state, I mean it's worked so well in history
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Re: Police Pepper-Spray Seated Protesters At UC Davis

Gonna invoke Godwins!
"I was only following orders!"
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Re: Police Pepper-Spray Seated Protesters At UC Davis

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I agree with what was done to them. clearly warned and blocking the way. If I was a student and wanted to go to class and was hindered by them....

I am very against these people cause it gets nothing done (protest, occupy wallstreet etc etc) go work and find a job or go to school. no sympathy from my behalf for the students.

Everyone is always police state this police state that.....and then they are the first to call when they need them.... .
Well since you're not American, I don't think you realize exactly what's been happening in the country. Higher and higher unemployment rates will obviously lead to some people being angry......and yes, others who simply have nothing better to do.

And the police here are seriously breaking the law and violating our constitutional right to peaceful assembly. The only way things will change in the US - and other countries for that matter - are if people stand up for their rights, freedoms, etc. If you're happy with your life, fine. But being against their right to peaceful assembly and protest affects your freedom to do so as well.
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It may end up that what the police did at UC Davis was illegal... I saw something about the 9th circuit court deciding against the police. Probably a violation of the first amendment, freedom of speech.
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Re: Police Pepper-Spray Seated Protesters At UC Davis

This would never happen in Switzerland!

They'd use Aromat.
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This would never happen in Switzerland!

They'd use Aromat.
That would be potentially deadly.
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Re: Police Pepper-Spray Seated Protesters At UC Davis

Yes, the ConDem coalition and the bankers between them have continued to send the country even further down the toilet.

Why shouldn't people protest about such matters? In a democracy it is almost a duty to do so.

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Re: Police Pepper-Spray Seated Protesters At UC Davis

I think the line between liberty and responsibility is there but it became very blurry to many people hence the action and reaction that is taken by people on both sides of the fence.
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Well since you're not American, I don't think you realize exactly what's been happening in the country. Higher and higher unemployment rates will obviously lead to some people being angry......and yes, others who simply have nothing better to do.

And the police here are seriously breaking the law and violating our constitutional right to peaceful assembly. The only way things will change in the US - and other countries for that matter - are if people stand up for their rights, freedoms, etc. If you're happy with your life, fine. But being against their right to peaceful assembly and protest affects your freedom to do so as well.

It ends being peaceful if you have been asked several times to leave.
I lived long enough in the USA to know what it is like and am moving there again in a few months.

ALSO these are students that have NEVER worked a day in their live(shy from being a server or the like) just focusing on what their professor said that day.
I did my studies in the USA and by the looks (appearance) of the ones being arrested it is the ones I hated with a passion.

Think what you want to think, but most of us know better. they are protesting for the sake of protesting. Unlike what happened in the middle east
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Think what you want to think, but most of us know better. they are protesting for the sake of protesting. Unlike what happened in the middle east
Not to excuse the police overstepping the law, but this is my impression too. The system has gone rotten, no doubt; but a bunch of people milling around and calling for social/commun-ism, or abolishment of money, or whatever other ridiculous demand is not going to change anything at all.

I don't know what it will take to get some changes made, but I do know that the Occupy movement is not the solution. It will take a lot more organized and concerted effort, and time. And I think the key word 'effort' from the last sentence is the stumbling block. Stage a sit-in in a park and you get loads of people who want to join in 'cause it's fun and you get to feel important. Ask those people to do actual real work that they will be held accountable for to truly create change and that will clear the parks out faster than the cops.
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Re: Police Pepper-Spray Seated Protesters At UC Davis

Water cannons, its the way to go. (and get the first wash in weeks probably)
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Not to excuse the police overstepping the law, but this is my impression too.
Yet you seem to not be too bothered by the police doing just that...Unprovoked as well but hey, a police state does have it's downside too eh?



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The system has gone rotten, no doubt; but a bunch of people milling around and calling for social/commun-ism, or abolishment of money, or whatever other ridiculous demand is not going to change anything at all.
The system has been rotting for decades and we're just as culpable as the power zealots who are routinely elected into power and contributing to the rotting in a variety of ways - not the least of which is propping up corporate America



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I don't know what it will take to get some changes made, but I do know that the Occupy movement is not the solution. It will take a lot more organized and concerted effort, and time. And I think the key word 'effort' from the last sentence is the stumbling block. Stage a sit-in in a park and you get loads of people who want to join in 'cause it's fun and you get to feel important. Ask those people to do actual real work that they will be held accountable for to truly create change and that will clear the parks out faster than the cops.
You don't know what changes can be made but protesting is not a solution?

Apathy has ruled the political landscape of the US for decades now...And just when some are actually participating in protests, peaceful ones mind you, they're cast aside as being unproductive or a form of loitering because they have nothing better to do...Protesting is one of the hallmarks of dissent and it has no expiration date - history is littered with examples of change through protest, even in the US
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I did my studies in the USA and by the looks (appearance) of the ones being arrested it is the ones I hated with a passion.

And there lies the biggest problem in the world today. The ability to hate someone with a passion just by their looks. What a douche bag.
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Re: Police Pepper-Spray Seated Protesters At UC Davis

yet more disturbing images of what happened .. the faces are orange from the spray ..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-protest.html
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Re: Police Pepper-Spray Seated Protesters At UC Davis

The full (although one sided) story in pictures
http://www.businessinsider.com/pictu...ay-afternoon-1
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