Saudi women with 'tempting' eyes may be forced to cover them - Page 8

Russkov · #**141** 22.11.2011, 13:43

	Quote:	little_isabella
	Take female circumcision. I, and most people here I would imagine, consider this a shocking form of mutilation on women. But what is even more shocking to me is that it's usually carried out by women - women who know the pain of the mutilation themselves. While it's illegal in westernized countries, it still exists even there. To stop it requires more than laws but also understanding the roots of such abuse, so we can best calm resistance to our views and thus make our views, their views.

There's not much to understand. People like power and tend to pathologically inflict the cruelty of their upbringing on the next generation. Give people a taste of a life that doesn't suck and they'll flock to it. The current trends of immigration are pretty one-sided, which should tell you all you need to know. While we may have lost some perspective and are debating the issue from our cushy seats in front of computer screens, for the truly desperate and oppresed people who are in the know of life elsewhere, the jury is in.

little_isabella · #**142** 22.11.2011, 13:50

	Quote:	Russkov
	There's not much to understand. People like power and tend to pathologically inflict the cruelty of their upbringing on the next generation. Give people a taste of a life that doesn't suck and they'll flock to it.

Then how do you explain this practice still occurring in westernized countries?

Russkov · #**143** 22.11.2011, 13:59

	Quote:	little_isabella
	Then how do you explain this practice still occurring in westernized countries?

"pathologically inflict the cruelty of their upbringing on the next generation" part, "pathologically" meaning they can't help it. Those that do change their ways tend to find the changes positive ones. I doubt there are many second generation immigrant women with their clitori intact thinking, "My mother didn't have one and maybe she was on to something. Let's get that tradition going again. "

summerrain · #**144** 22.11.2011, 14:16

	Quote:	little_isabella
	Take female circumcision. I, and most people here I would imagine, consider this a shocking form of mutilation on women. But what is even more shocking to me is that it's usually carried out by women - women who know the pain of the mutilation themselves.

Because:

1. the men think its beneath them to carry out such procedures
2. these women are part of a vicious cycle: their mothers and aunty did it to them when they were younger, so they pass on the "tradition" by doing it to their daughters.

No one came and educated them that its a totally useless and barbaric practice, and that the rest of the world has moved on. Even if they know it is wrong, they blindly follow it because its the way it has been done for centuries.

In my own words: they dont know any better!

marton · #**145** 22.11.2011, 14:38

	Quote:	little_isabella
	I'll add a different example in hopes the parallel helps make some sense of my earlier point. =) Take female circumcision. I, and most people here I would imagine, consider this a shocking form of mutilation on women. But what is even more shocking to me is that it's usually carried out by women - women who know the pain of the mutilation themselves. While it's illegal in westernized countries, it still exists even there. To stop it requires more than laws but also understanding the roots of such abuse, so we can best calm resistance to our views and thus make our views, their views.

Surely in most (all?) cultures that have this practice men are not allowed to perform this operation?

magyir · #**146** 22.11.2011, 14:47

	Quote:	evilshell
	No freedom, no rights, having to ask your male guardian (father, brother, uncle, husband, etc.) to allow you to go out and escort you, being forced to cover up completely and if someone happens to find your eyes attractive, it is all your fault. Yep. I can see the majority of women liking this.

To be fair the poster did say "some of them", that hardly implies he meant
the majority of women......

Amaras · #**147** 22.11.2011, 15:11

	Quote:	marton
	Surely in most (all?) cultures that have this practice men are not allowed to perform this operation?

All types of Judaism except for Orthodox Judaism allow female mohels, called mohelot.

http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/...aking-the-cut/

parnell · #**148** 22.11.2011, 23:09

	Quote:	summerrain
	Because: 1. the men think its beneath them to carry out such procedures 2. these women are part of a vicious cycle: their mothers and aunty did it to them when they were younger, so they pass on the "tradition" by doing it to their daughters. No one came and educated them that its a totally useless and barbaric practice, and that the rest of the world has moved on. Even if they know it is wrong, they blindly follow it because its the way it has been done for centuries. In my own words: they dont know any better!

Except it was carried out in the US , up to 1970s - by doctors of both sexes.
What's interesting is that folks from certain parts of the world defend their extreme traditions as not being "mutilation" despite such things being exact fits for the definition of that word.

Amaras · #**149** 27.11.2011, 21:18

	Quote:	tom tulpe
	Yeah, 'cos that's wot wimmin really want from life, innit

Today Iranians spend about $2 billion a year on cosmetics, and the country of 74 million accounts for 29 per cent of the Middle East market, a recent survey revealed.

The use of makeup and toiletries has turned Iran into the 7th largest cosmetics consumer in the world.

PennyMama · #**150** 28.11.2011, 10:39

	Quote:	Amaras
	All types of Judaism except for Orthodox Judaism allow female mohels, called mohelot. http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/...aking-the-cut/

Judaism does not perform female circumcision.