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Old 26.11.2011, 21:03
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Re: At least we Brits lead Europe in something...

There are so many factors involved -

Portion sizes are huge for some people and they serve their food on plates that are really large too ( I have an old dinner service that I have kept that was in my family years ago and the sizes of the plates,bowls is much smaller).

Alcohol is so laden with calories that most people do not realise that their daily calorie allowance is usually exceeded just by their alcohol without having any food!!

If you look at the saturated fat on most ready meals it is sooo high. Take away curries, pizza etc are truly shocking.

And another thing is that people eat too quickly so that they don't get the feeling of being full as they don't chew their food for long enough - thus consuming more calories.
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Old 26.11.2011, 21:32
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In what way is it limited?

There are plenty of in-expensive meats, offal is cheap, and good (in fact we are having minestrone w/tripe for dinner), and there are plenty of in-expensive foods such as root vegetables, pasta and rice.

I fail to see how pre-prepared junk is cheaper.

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Remember we are talking about Britain's obesity problem and supermarkets. You can buy large frozen pizzas in the cheap supermarkets for approx a Pound. Fast fatty food can be unbelieveably cheap, which is why so many people live off it.
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Old 26.11.2011, 21:45
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Re: At least we Brits lead Europe in something...

Actually, what's interesting is if you focus on the 18-24 bracket alone. Aside from Malta, the UK is way ahead in both M & F in that category. I mean, I know what it means to age and suddenly realize that having a child and slowing down means that I've suddenly got a huge backside even when all I eat is a carrot and a few glasses of wine in the evening....but obese at 18-24? That's a whole difference category of age and activity level and consumption. Interesting that the SE and FI numbers were absent and, though I have seen similar studies there I can't find them presently....still, though it's heavy on comfort food and cold weather, I think the UK will still be well ahead in the 18-24 category.

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Old 26.11.2011, 21:50
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There are so many factors involved -

Portion sizes are huge for some people and they serve their food on plates that are really large too ( I have an old dinner service that I have kept that was in my family years ago and the sizes of the plates,bowls is much smaller).

Alcohol is so laden with calories that most people do not realise that their daily calorie allowance is usually exceeded just by their alcohol without having any food!!

If you look at the saturated fat on most ready meals it is sooo high. Take away curries, pizza etc are truly shocking.

And another thing is that people eat too quickly so that they don't get the feeling of being full as they don't chew their food for long enough - thus consuming more calories.
Yes but is anyone being force fed? Is police coming into houses and smashing small plates? Is alcoholboarding taking place anywhere? Why don't people realize that unhealthy foods have unhealthy levels of calories? We are in the west and we have access to so much information. Ignorance is no excuse.

It's simple, *unhealthy people are unhealthy because they want to be unhealthy. It's a 100% voluntary decision.

* I am talking about diet related diseases.
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Old 26.11.2011, 22:10
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Re: At least we Brits lead Europe in something...

Yeah it's interesting that it's young people that seem to be getting fatter.

I mean, I remember when I was at Uni (18 to 21 years) in the UK - there were really perhaps one or two overweight people in my entire year - and really only just a bit overweight. Nobody obese. Really not. And we ate shit. I mean, chips every night at the hall canteen. Big bowls of pasta with sauce and cheese, chips, fried stuff. And cake! And we drank a lot - I mean - A LOT. And it was proper beer too - the high calorie stuff.

But, here's the difference I see with todays students (and young people that age generally) - we all, without exception did sports. Nearly all of us spent every non-work moment doing something or other active. Be it hockey, football, hiking, climbing, rowing, running, salsa dancing. Everybody did something. (And of course there was a lot of errr, other physical activity going on .) And we cycled or walked miles to lectures because we were poor and couldn't afford trains and buses and stuff.

There was NO internet then. There were barely even PCs - we certainly didn't have our own, we used the one in the computer lab. And the height of gaming was the sega mega drive.

So, yeah, I think I blame the internet too. Too much sitting in front of the computer instead of running round playing sport and shagging.
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Old 26.11.2011, 22:13
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Yes but is anyone being force fed? Is police coming into houses and smashing small plates? Is alcoholboarding taking place anywhere? Why don't people realize that unhealthy foods have unhealthy levels of calories? We are in the west and we have access to so much information. Ignorance is no excuse.

It's simple, *unhealthy people are unhealthy because they want to be unhealthy. It's a 100% voluntary decision.

* I am talking about diet related diseases.
Fully agree, it's time people stop blaming the next best thing for their own wrong choices and start taking responsibility for themselves, for their family, for their community and country, in that order.
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Re: At least we Brits lead Europe in something...

I just made several portions of a pork casserole with a cheapo cut of pork, cooked it with a selection of seasonal winter veg and stuck most of it in the freezer along with portions of a beef casserole and a variety of soups.

Those meals will feed the family for many mealtimes and for minimal effort it cost buttons per portion and is all pretty delicious and easy to defrost and reheat after a busy day.

They all contain most of the major food groups (or will be served with others) and because they are already portioned out, we won't over-eat.

It's not rocket science - it just needs a bit of planning.

I think laziness and convenience plays a big part in today's obesity problem. People can't be arsed to cook or plan or run about keeping the pounds at bay.

Of course there will be those anomalies of people who are overweight because of whatever problem but I am talking about the majority of the general obesity issues and associated malaise.
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Old 26.11.2011, 22:36
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I cook everything, and I shun anything in a can or jar. Still...my activity level is near zero and that, really, is everything. It doesn't matter the hidden calories, etc. in whatever food is served, what matters most is that you move and think and get away from the bloody computer (or TV). Truly, back in the day when I was young and svelte and helping build this prison, I thought it would make life better, not worse. There's a reason why young and stupid go together so perfectly.
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Old 26.11.2011, 22:40
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Re: At least we Brits lead Europe in something...

Watch the 'Black Friday' videos again - and 99% of people are obese.

Now I am chunky but was very slim until my 40s - I have no excuse although a thyroid disfunction does not help. I am constantly on the go and very active and eat healthily - and yet I know I have a problem with portion control and eating too quickly (due to living with the phone on the table and a OH who regularly had to rush off int he middle of a meal- no excuse though). Difficult to say but I often wonder if I had put on such weight had I lived in CH rather than the UK? I'll never know - but portion sizes were much much smaller at home when I was a kid in CH.
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Old 26.11.2011, 23:16
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I haven't watched them...don't really want to waste time doing so but, do bear in mind that obesity and economic status correlate rather strongly. Look at the statistics for the US, there's a reason why the New England area is lowest on the obesity spectrum and MI is the highest. Generally, though shopping for a deal is a time honored tradition regardless of class, those who have more money aren't going to be the ones in the scrum for a $2 waffle iron. Really. I can get one on cyber-monday for a few bucks more without sales tax or shipping or having to pepper spray some douchebag nearby.

This is like watching the royal wedding and thinking everyone in the UK is as posh as Kate, thin as Kate and eats like Kate. There are 350+ million folks in the US and many of them are not punching folks over toasters and not obese.
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Good point. So Swiss are skinny cause their beer sucks and they drink Vodka-Red-Bull instead?
There are plenty of decent swiss beers if you care to try some. Appenzeller beer for one is a great beer. The reason the swiss don't get obese on beer is they don't drink to excess and they actually exercise
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Old 26.11.2011, 23:23
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There are plenty of decent swiss beers if you care to try some. Appenzeller beer for one is a great beer. The reason the swiss don't get obese on beer is they don't drink to excess and they actually exercise
What, none of them drink to excess ... and all of them exercise?
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Alcohol is so laden with calories that most people do not realise that their daily calorie allowance is usually exceeded just by their alcohol without having any food!!
Half a litre of beer is about 100 kcals, a glass of wine about the same.

Average intake should be 2000-2500 kcals.

Wanna run that maths by me again?
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Half a litre of beer is about 100 kcals, a glass of wine about the same.

Average intake should be 2000-2500 kcals.

Wanna run that maths by me again?
Average intakes for a certain type of male doing a certain type of exercise....Anyway for women, especially if your shorter, should be less than that and take into consideration the lack of exercise too. That 2000 - 2500 kcals is misleading in my opinion, possibly why so many Brits are obese...

Anyway, back to it, I was working in a pub for many years and I can tell you that 10 bottles of WKD blue is NOT unusual on a Saturday evening for women. Many used to buy two at a time, whack them together in a pint glass and maybe add some blackcurrant cordial too! That's over 2000 calories in a few hours, plus a kebab on the way home...!

http://www.nutracheck.co.uk/calories/calories_in_alcohol/calories_in_WKD_Blue.html

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Re: At least we Brits lead Europe in something...

I shall make some blunt points about my observations in the UK:

The lower class people are generally the ones that eat the processed ready made meals.
They are not cheap compared to purchasing raw vegetables and meat and cooking from scratch.

What really disgusts me is that the worst offenders are the "pre-mediated teenage single parent mothers".
If you look in their shopping trollies, they are the ones with bags of crisps, fizzy drinks and microwave ready meals and pizzas. They are also the ones that you see going home by taxi from the supermarket.

I put a lot of the issue down to the UK benefit system (Labour Government driven) that helped this.

You will also find that the UK girls have the biggest breasts and UK has largest bra sizes available as a result. This is because breasts are roughly 70% fat.

I have noticed the stunning East European girls that have been in the UK long enough are starting to get bigger and less feminine as well.

Southern Ireland also has the same problem though I have been told that the Irish girls are starting to slim down because they were losing their men to East European workers in Ireland.

My friend claims sex with a fat UK girls is OK because you have safe because you get the same experience but never reach the danger zone for STD or pregnancy.

What also makes us laugh in the UK is the number of nail/beautician/hair bars in the UK full of fat girls thinking they will look stunning after having a session in them. They would be better off saving their money in theses places and saving even more eating raw vegetables and exercising.
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My UK vegan friends are so skinny, but they might just move more than they eat... But isn't traditional UK food quite heavy?

In the 1960ies, Brits were known to be sportive and slim. And British food was known to be flavoured water
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Old 27.11.2011, 16:46
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Re: At least we Brits lead Europe in something...

Just got back from a week in the US. Food portion size is still ridiculous and does not seem to have got smaller (as you might expect) in the 30 years I have been going.
Oh boy there are some porkers there - you know that American fat ass which seems unique in shape and design. You could rest your pint on some of those.
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There are 350+ million folks in the US and many of them are not punching folks over toasters and not obese.
Damn, I was just thinking to spend my next vacation in the US and have a laugh about those funny aggressive fatties... and now you're telling me they aren't for real? That's one big disappointment.
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Damn, I was just thinking to spend my next vacation in the US and have a laugh about those funny aggressive fatties... and now you're telling me they aren't for real? That's one big disappointment.
Well, you could save on the airfare and time on the flights by just going to the UK which is the 51st state. You just have to love fish and chips and chavs
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Well, you could save on the airfare and time on the flights by just going to the UK which is the 51st state. You just have to love fish and chips and chavs
Will be much easier to cross over to Germany. Looks like they were leading in 2007.

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