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Old 19.12.2011, 17:56
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If you friend was enlisted in the army, then he was required to go.
Not in the German Bundeswehr as they only take volunteers to their campaigns in Kosovo and Afghanistan. But they pay well if you do, your entire team goes, so there is a decent amount of peer pressure and if you don't, you basically kill your career.
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Tuition is only expensive at private colleges. State universities are
very affordable. If you friend was enlisted in the army, then he
was required to go.

That was not such a great SS ideology, paid or not.

The similarities are that they both had a leader that misled the public
into believing something that was not true.
The similarities don't end here... to lies add torture, displacement, human rights abuses, carnage.
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Old 19.12.2011, 18:32
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- many Vietnamese were happy when you finally stopped to firebomb their country. Some were unhappy. Not sure if you should be proud oif it, probably no.
Strangely enough, all the Vietnamese I have known, and I know quite a few (co-workers, ex-inlaws of my wife), have surprised me by saying that they thought the US intervention in Vietnam was the right thing.

On the other hand, they all truly HATE the French.

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Old 19.12.2011, 18:38
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Not in the German Bundeswehr as they only take volunteers to their campaigns in Kosovo and Afghanistan. But they pay well if you do, your entire team goes, so there is a decent amount of peer pressure and if you don't, you basically kill your career.
My younger step-son did a tour in Kosovo, and another in Bosnia, totally voluntary (Swiss army, and he was armed).

Not only did he get paid well, he also got credit towards his required service, and thus was able to retire from the Swiss military at 27!

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Re: US Troops leaving Iraq

Speaking about the US troops... Bradley Manning hearing finally started a few days ago. Some consider him a criminal, others think he is a hero. What do you think of him?

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/12/1...y-manning.html
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Speaking about the US troops... Bradley Manning hearing finally started a few days ago. Some consider him a criminal, others think he is a hero. What do you think of him?

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/12/1...y-manning.html
Anyone that betrays their country is a criminal according to the
statutes....
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Anyone that betrays their country is a criminal according to the
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Yes, when convicted
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Old 19.12.2011, 23:21
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Yes, when convicted
That is correct, but the evidence is pretty strong.

His attorneys can fight it out in court though.
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Strangely enough, all the Vietnamese I have known, and I know quite a few (co-workers, ex-inlaws of my wife), have surprised me by saying that they thought the US intervention in Vietnam was the right thing.

On the other hand, they all truly HATE the French.

Tom
I'd guess that all the ones you met were outside Vietnam? As in "ran away from the communists"? Pretty good chance that they were on your side, obviously...
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Speaking about the US troops... Bradley Manning hearing finally started a few days ago. Some consider him a criminal, others think he is a hero. What do you think of him?

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/12/1...y-manning.html
I think he was a lonely and troubled young man who did not get the leadership he needed. If he had a more appropriate person than that weirdo Assange to talk to about his ethical problems watching US helicopters shooting civilians... a very valid point in my eyes... I think he had never done it.

All he wanted was to raise an alarm about the stuff he witnessed but apparently was nobody interesting in discussing it. Armies are generally not great at discussing ethical questions....

I don't think he is a hero, more some tragic figure, but thanks to him do we know that the US government made repeated direct lies to the public and the UN (as in "We have no idea how many civilians died in Iraq" and then Manning releases the files that document every singe incident...). I guess he has to pay for making the US administration look stupid.

The claims that he helped terrorists and puts American lives into danger are completely stupid in my eyes... and I would love to hear how they will prove that the leaked info has killed a single soldier. But they will lock up Manning anyway in one way or another.
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