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Call me cynical but its probably for all international news sources to broadcast how the north koreans are grieving for their "dear leader".
Yes, cynical. The North Koreans have been closed off and brainwashed. They believe their supreme leader is God. It's tragic, sad and testament to how fragile the human mind is.

I genuinely feel sorry for them, not because their leader has died, but because they have not been allowed to believe anything other than that he was a God send.

Think of the effect parents can have on children, and what a great responsibility it is not to inflict mental (or physical) injury on them. Kim Jong Il inflicted severe mental injury on an entire nation.
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Old 19.12.2011, 18:25
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Who is Kim Jung Ill? What was she famous for?
From Wikipedia: "Also an apparent golfer, North Korean state media reports that Kim routinely shot three or four holes-in-one per round.[116] His official biography also claims that Kim composed six operas and enjoys staging elaborate musicals.[117] Kim also referred to himself as an Internet expert"

That's just an extract, he's written dozens of books and has many inventions to his name. He's a real Renaissance man.

Who knows, maybe the Young Kim is a celebrity poster here on EF?
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Yes, cynical. The North Koreans have been closed off and brainwashed. They believe their supreme leader is God. It's tragic, sad and testament to how fragile the human mind is.

I genuinely feel sorry for them, not because their leader has died, but because they have not been allowed to believe anything other than that he was a God send.

Think of the effect parents can have on children, and what a great responsibility it is not to inflict mental (or physical) injury on them. Kim Jong Il inflicted severe mental injury on an entire nation.
There was a similar reaction in the USSR when Stalin died...
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Old 19.12.2011, 18:41
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Re: Kim Jong Il has died

For those interested:
http://www.amazon.com/Under-Loving-C...4312735&sr=8-3

This is an AMAZING book on North Korea - referred to as the "best" book by some. It's filled with fascinating facts and stories on society, government, military, etc. - often based on stories from defectors. Creates such a detailed picture of the history of North Korea and with such insane/ jaw dropping stories that you really just can't make this stuff up.

Truly fascinating (and scary...)
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Old 19.12.2011, 18:50
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Call me cynical but its probably for all international news sources to broadcast how the north koreans are grieving for their "dear leader".
Nah, they've just been told that there are people trying to get by on under 120,000 CHF pa in Switzerland.
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From Wikipedia: "Also an apparent golfer, North Korean state media reports that Kim routinely shot three or four holes-in-one per round.[116]
Phew. Chuck Norris does 18, or more .
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Who knows, maybe the Young Kim is a celebrity poster here on EF?
Actually some of the Mods would fit the profile.
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Old 19.12.2011, 19:51
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From Wikipedia: "Also an apparent golfer, North Korean state media reports that Kim routinely shot three or four holes-in-one per round.[116] His official biography also claims that Kim composed six operas and enjoys staging elaborate musicals.[117] Kim also referred to himself as an Internet expert"

That's just an extract, he's written dozens of books and has many inventions to his name. He's a real Renaissance man.

Who knows, maybe the Young Kim is a celebrity poster here on EF?
After they found guilty of a crime I hope
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Old 19.12.2011, 19:57
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Phew. Chuck Norris does 18, or more .
Outranked: Lee Towers frequently does 2 holes in 1 with one single ball.

Lee Towers is a Dutch "Frank Sinatra"-esque Vegas-like singer based on which there was a running gag just like the one you referred to on Chuck Norris
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Old 20.12.2011, 03:13
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kid you not, you could "hire" said persons for funerals in Mexico a long time ago. (1910's and so)
1910? In India they do this for Millenia... and not only funerals, but any things similar... like Tom Cruise visits for example:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-16069327
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Oh well, that's the end of his Korea
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Re: Kim Jong Il has died

I have decided to join the inevitable international mourning, that the north korean news agency Will tell the population takes place, so I Can not come in for work for the next 2 weeks, as i Will be busy mourning the loss of the dear Leader. How Will we ever get on without the man, who invented the hamburger, wrote 6 operas, and was the worlds greatest golf player? Dear Leader, we Will miss you and All the pictures where you were looking at things and enriching our lives. I stop now. I can't type anymore from crying.

http://kimjongillookingatthings.tumblr.com/

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we Will miss you and All the pictures where you were looking at things and enriching our lives..
Don't forget his fantastic dress sense – experts say it was to die for, his spectacular haircut, ability to last 69 years without taking a dump etc.
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Re: Kim Jong Il has died

I will probably collect a few grans for this The reaction of North Koreans is more than strange -- we look at the video and think about how brainwashed they are. But looking at the reaction on the other side, here in this thread, is equally strange.
They are crying so much because he was a Dear Leader and almost a god.
We are laughing and making fun because he was a Dictator and not really human.
Both reactions are weird and inappropriate... Talking about being brainwashed...
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Old 20.12.2011, 10:03
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We are laughing and making fun because he was a Dictator and not really human.
Both reactions are weird and inappropriate... Talking about being brainwashed...
Really? While we probably get brainwashed by our media are some things simply facts. For example the hunger in North Korea. Its unfortunately probably not a myth while I of course cannot exclude the possibility that the pictures of starving children collecting grass to eat might be staged...

There are many dictators in the world, but right now the only other one I can come up with treating his people as bad as Kim did is probably Robert Mugabe.
There is unfortunatley a lot of hunger in the world, but the hunger in North Korea is new and a bit different from the situiation in for example Eastern Africa: The country is fertile and has the natural resources to feed its people when managed properly. The hunger is pretty much exclusively caused through bad leadership. They simply cared much more about their nuclear weapons and long range missiles than ensuring the food supply of civilians.
There is an elite which has probably a stable life. And all they know is that they are doing better than the people around them. So they probably genuinely moan as they are scared to hunger in the future like the poor people around them... they have no clue how much better it could be. The new leader however, having lived in Switzerland and his brother, having lived in Macao... they must be aware in what a crap place their dad and grandpa have turned North Korea.
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Please welcome the new leader of North Korea: Kim Jong Un...

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Somehow, he reminds me more of this guy:
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/2394/

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This (and part II) are well worth a watch.



I hope that Kim Jong Un doesn't ramp up the iron fistedness in an attempt to prove himself. His dad had decades of formation under Kim il Sung; this guy looks rather clueless.



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I hope that Kim Jong Un doesn't ramp up the iron fistedness in an attempt to prove himself.
I don't have high expectations. Kim Jong Un was "chosen" to be (apparently) the inteded successor of Kim Jong Il despite being his youngest son. Supposedly because the other children strayed to far from good North Korean values, etc. In other words, he's the one who resembles his father the most. This may be a bad thing (depending on your reference point).
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I don't have high expectations. Kim Jong Un was "chosen" to be (apparently) the inteded successor of Kim Jong Il despite being his youngest son. Supposedly because the other children strayed to far from good North Korean values, etc. In other words, he's the one who resembles his father the most. This may be a bad thing (depending on your reference point).
The question is, to what extent does/did the Great Leader (old or new) wield any real power, and to what extent is he just a puppet of the old men in the Politburo and the senior party cadres, maybe his only real job it is to be seen at military parades and read the speeches that are written for him?

(which is why he is also called the Beroved Reader)
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Yes, cynical. The North Koreans have been closed off and brainwashed. They believe their supreme leader is God. It's tragic, sad and testament to how fragile the human mind is.

I genuinely feel sorry for them, not because their leader has died, but because they have not been allowed to believe anything other than that he was a God send.

Think of the effect parents can have on children, and what a great responsibility it is not to inflict mental (or physical) injury on them. Kim Jong Il inflicted severe mental injury on an entire nation.
You're right, I mean..it's almost like they told them, that he was the result of an immaculate conception..or that he derived his laws from talking to a burning bush...it's all very sad indeed. There are always 2 sides of the coin....judge not, lest ye be judged.

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