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Old 07.11.2012, 08:56
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Re: US presidential election 2012

It's been interesting to read my Facebook posts, since most of my friends reside in the US. Those who are disappointed that Obama won could easily be SVPers here. Coincidence?
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Old 07.11.2012, 08:58
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Re: US presidential election 2012



I am SO glad to no longer be a US citizen.



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Old 07.11.2012, 09:13
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Re: US presidential election 2012

I am so glad that the US has another 4 years to correct some of the obvious inequalities.

When the rich stop making their money in China, and start paying some proper taxes, the US will be a better place.
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Old 07.11.2012, 09:29
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Re: US presidential election 2012

It's a little scary to me how close that race proved to be, at least so far as popular vote goes.

Unfortunately unsurprising though, as I know that some of my friends and family are very conservative and are against some of the things I am strongly for, such as reproductive rights for women and (this floors me) healthcare reform. By reproductive rights though, I don't necessarily mean access to abortion, but rather, access to quality birth control and the right to control whether and when they get pregnant in the first place... I'm actually, honestly, deeply shocked that some of my friends and family are AGAINST birth control.
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It's a little scary to me how close that race proved to be, at least so far as popular vote goes.

Unfortunately unsurprising though, as I know that some of my friends and family are very conservative and are against some of the things I am strongly for, ...

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I'm actually, honestly, deeply shocked that some of my friends and family are AGAINST birth control.
I don't think the problem is that a person sometimes thinks in categories, uses stereotypes and other "normal" human psychological tricks for having an "easier" life sometimes and somehow, and that as a result that person can have "conservative" feelings to be uttered as a preferential vote in an election.

But what I really don't understand (I beg for forgiveness if this point was enlightened somewhere earlier here) is how one could vote for a party that is not against some aspects of a modern way of life, but against everything (exception made for "Rape is expression of God's will!" and "The capital of Iran is Baghdad." e.g.). All that after being the light of Civil Rights and having won a Civil War against the evil.
A mystery to me.
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Old 07.11.2012, 11:08
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I don't think the problem is that a person sometimes thinks in categories, uses stereotypes and other "normal" human psychological tricks for having an "easier" life sometimes and somehow, and that as a result that person can have "conservative" feelings to be uttered as a preferential vote in an election.
The word "conservative" doesn't have quite the same meaning here as it does in the US.

Themes such as abortion rights, homosexuality have never been central on the real agenda of any president, but they are good wind-up themes for elections and can polarise otherwise reasonable and politically uninterested people and give them the anger that convinces them to go to the polls. And the useful thing is they never go away, as no matter which way the law rules, there is always going to be a significant minority who disagree and can be mobilised if the candidate at the next election promises to change it.

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But what I really don't understand (I beg for forgiveness if this point was enlightened somewhere earlier here) is how one could vote for a party that is not against some aspects of a modern way of life, but against everything (exception made for "Rape is expression of God's will!" and "The capital of Iran is Baghdad." e.g.). All that after being the light of Civil Rights and having won a Civil War against the evil.
A mystery to me.
I don't really see where the Civil War comes into it. It happened at a time when the world was a very different place and the very existence of the US was far from unchallenged. Maybe more comparable to the middle East with its various uprisings and breakaway groups than to the US of today.
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The word "conservative" doesn't have quite the same meaning here as it does in the US.

Themes such as abortion rights, homosexuality have never been central on the real agenda of any president, but they are good wind-up themes for elections ...
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That's why I was cutting it out in my citation of Peg A's posting. But there are loads of other themes that don't touch minorities only, but all people (neocon/Tea-party approach vs Keynes, bankrupcy of municipalities, war in Afghanistan, Detroit's industry, health insurance e.g.).


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I don't really see where the Civil War comes into it.
That until not many decades ago Republicans used to be standing for progressivism, afaik.

Now it's a single "nope" to everything.
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Old 07.11.2012, 11:52
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Re: US presidential election 2012

Well, I for one, am pleased he gets another crack at the whip.

Though, I must admit, I did not expect him to make another term as I thought the whole economic scenario he inherited and subsequent measures to reverse the trend would have been blamed on him.
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Old 07.11.2012, 11:54
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It's been interesting to read my Facebook posts, since most of my friends reside in the US. Those who are disappointed that Obama won could easily be SVPers here. Coincidence?
Hardly surprising really, no?
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Old 07.11.2012, 11:57
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Well, I for one, am pleased he gets another crack at the whip.

Though, I must admit, I did not expect him to make another term as I thought the whole economic scenario he inherited and subsequent measures to reverse the trend would have been blamed on him.
I almost feel the same way, if only for continuity's sake. If he can't fix much in the next four years, at least someone else will get a crack at it (and subsequently blame his/her failure on the previous administration )
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Old 07.11.2012, 13:25
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Re: US presidential election 2012

This has been an awfully depressing election season. Yet again, I voted for the least objectionable candidate. Oh how I wish our system were able to produce a candidate I could actually admire and wholeheartedly support.

I was sitting on the fence until the end. One candidate meant misery for overseas Americans, one candidate meant misery for women. As woman living overseas...

But the bright side - a second term means that the president will be able to focus on actual governance, without having to keep an eye on reelection. Let's hope he can get things moving again.
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Old 07.11.2012, 14:12
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But McCain and Romney got more than 45% of the votes, which is more than the parliamentary share of most British Prime Ministers. My bet however would rather be that the losing candidate became the new Foreign Minister
Romney? Foreign Minister? Did you catch his Euro-tour right about the time of the olympics this year? I don't think he'd do very well at that job either.
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Old 07.11.2012, 14:38
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Re: US presidential election 2012

I'm just happy that the winner (in this case, Obama) won by a sufficient margin in the Electoral Colleage to remove the possibility of numerous challenges and lawsuits.

As the early returns were coming in, I could easily picture the Republican lawyer posse salivating at the possibilites to make some serious dough.

His popular vote total was not stellar, but at least he came out on top there too. Otherwise we'd have the reverse of what happened in 2000.
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Old 07.11.2012, 14:39
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Re: US presidential election 2012

While I will admit to being a pretty loyal Democrat (shocking, I know!), I would like to see the emergence of a 3rd party that has some political clout that can reign in the other 2 parties...

Of course, there are those in the country who actually don't want anything to get done, regardless that without it, the bell will soon toll for the US and its policies...

And just to top it off, I was told by a spouting Republican friend on Facebook (who works in the healthcare industry) that I must have lived outside of the country too long if I don't get why it is all bad...
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T One candidate meant misery for overseas Americans,
That's interesting - do you really think the tax issue would have been better for you under Romney?

Overseas US citizens are a tax-revenue cash-cow which can't really fight back, given their lack of a strong, unified voice in any forum that matters. I think any president would take advantage of the situation.
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I would like to see the emergence of a 3rd party that has some political clout that can reign in the other 2 parties...
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Very unlikely under the current funding and first-past-the-post system without very large-scale social upheaval which destroys both parties' support bases.
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Old 07.11.2012, 14:50
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That's interesting - do you really think the tax issue would have been better for you under Romney?
Probably not - but Obama nonetheless has to take responsibility for the fleecing we Americans abroad have been subjected to policies of his administration.

Romney was an unknown on the subject, as his campaign kept dodging the question.

As said, I voted for the least objectionable candidate.
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Probably not - but Obama nonetheless has to take responsibility for the fleecing we Americans abroad have been subjected to policies of his administration.

Romney was an unknown on the subject, as his campaign kept dodging the question.

As said, I voted for the least objectionable candidate.
Surely that tells you all you need to know (on this subject)?
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Re: US presidential election 2012

would like to say "Good bye romney "
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