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Old 07.11.2012, 15:16
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While I hope for an Obama victory, my dream-team would be
President Obama and Vice President Romney

Romney of course could join the Obama team as Foreign Minister or Minister of the Economy (Dept of Commerce) ..... this would be a first in USA history !
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Old 07.11.2012, 15:21
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He's got it as he got NH and WI (what douche can't even carry his own state? Yes, you Ryan). What I can't figure is WTF in MS is voting for Romney? That state is about as black and as poor and in need of good education as any state in the lower 48 and, yet, Romney? Interesting to see the turnout numbers and demo for that. All the flyover states, the ones who take far more government payouts than they give voting for a dude who at least in principle will cut deeper into those programs, too, just don't make sense to me either. Maybe I'm missing something (other than the religion thing or the 'we'll show those liberal coastal dwellers' thing).

The Dems are also picking up a few more Senate seats, too, including Warren. The pathetic scene at Brown's headquarters where his daughter was singing to the crowd to a few uninterested press and campaigners contrasted with Warren's jam packed, totally stoked SRO crowd was a bit telling where that vote was going. He'll be driving his pickup truck (as a midwesterner, I found that particular bit of homey BS particularly comic as, well, he ain't no farmer) I blame his tofu treats on Halloween as the Warren party probably has WAY better food and drinks and, thus, a much bigger party no matter the outcome I hope Warren wins and she's everything she appears to be though I know better by now to hope a politician in this day and age is real and sincere. I liked Ted Kennedy as, though I didn't always like his politics or policies, he at least tried to do what he was appointed to do most of the time...a rare thing these days.

I wasn't and remain pretty unenthused by either of the presidential candidates but the devil I know doesn't believe the second coming will be ruling from Missouri, a state I escaped decades ago and only return to visit family, which is, I think, a real plus since nobody in their right mind would think that an omnipotent being would choose MO for the center of the universe (after Jerusalem of course).

And, Tammie, I called all three of my sisters in St. Louis to make sure that, even though at least one of them is way too churchy for my liking, they didn't vote for that douchebag Akin. I don't care if he carries old ladies on his back to church every bloody sunday, nobody that dumb needs to get a vote from anyone, much less a woman. They said no and he's sure to lose at this point with only 18% of the vote.

My only consolation for election night is that it will soon be over, no more bullshit ads on TV and things will just carry on tomorrow pretty much as they have before...though I may need a few glasses of wine just to get to sleep. That or maybe I could try to re-read the Hobbit...
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Old 07.11.2012, 15:39
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He's got it as he got NH and WI (what douche can't even carry his own state? Yes, you Ryan). What I can't figure is WTF in MS is voting for Romney? That state is about as black and as poor and in need of good education as any state in the lower 48 and, yet, Romney?
I think you'd enjoy reading this:

Rich State, Poor State, Red State, Blue State: What’s the Matter with Connecticut?
http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman...te_revised.pdf
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Old 07.11.2012, 15:56
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I would like to see the emergence of a 3rd party that has some political clout that can reign in the other 2 parties.
Nice idea, but it didn't work like that in Britain. By taking votes, the third party weakened the clear winner. The third party Liberals were then invited to a coalition and had nearly all the power, and then they promptly reneged on their election promise.

When you have multiple parties it is difficult to obtain a useful government, as every idea is watered down to keep everyone happy. Look at Switzerland, with their over load of political correctness and democratic voting, changes happen very slowly.
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Old 07.11.2012, 16:00
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Look at Switzerland, with their over load of political correctness and democratic voting, changes happen very slowly.
And thankfully so!

A far better system than that of the US.

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Old 07.11.2012, 16:07
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...what douche can't even carry his own state? Yes, you Ryan...
It was worse than that. Romney lost his birthplace (MI), and all states where he lives and has homes (CA, NH, MA). Not to mention that one of those states was where his dad was governor and another was where Mitt himself had been governor. Ryan lost his home state (WI) and even his home county (in the presidential race, he won his Congressional seat again).

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And thankfully so!

A far better system than that of the US.

Tom
Switzerland's direct democracy works very well indeed for a relatively small, culturally homogeneous population. And that's wonderful. It gives the country exceptional stability.

But take that direct democracy, apply it to the European Union, and all hell breaks loose. It wouldn't work for the US any more than it would work for the EU which is a better comparison to a culturally diverse nation of more than 300 million people.
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I am SO glad to no longer be a US citizen.



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Good for you Tom. I am glad you find happiness in something. For the rest of us Americans, we're happy to be looking at the dawn of the new American century.
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Old 07.11.2012, 17:39
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Switzerland's direct democracy works very well indeed for a relatively small, culturally homogeneous population. And that's wonderful. It gives the country exceptional stability.
Switzerland is not at all that homogenous. There are huge cultural differences along linguistic and religious lines. Switzerland works as well as it does because it also embraces federalism, so each group is free to do as it likes in its own canton(s) but keeps its fingers out of the affairs of the cantons who see things differently.

The USA was also like this in the past, with immigrants typically choising to settle in the areas where like-minded people were already dwelling. It was mass industrialisation, which forced people to relocate according to work rather than according to virtues that spelt the beginning of the end of all that.
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Switzerland is not at all that homogenous. There are huge cultural differences along linguistic and religious lines. Switzerland works as well as it does because it also embraces federalism, so each group is free to do as it likes in its own canton(s) but keeps its fingers out of the affairs of the cantons who see things differently.
True, but relative to the United States, Switzerland is far more homogeneous. Other than that, no disagreement, but I was pointing out that Switzerland's direct democracy works well for its size and characteristics, not why Switzerlqnd as a country works well.
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Old 07.11.2012, 19:15
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Re: US presidential election 2012

Anyone else noticing the stock market plunge this morning after the election and now that folks are starting to catch up on the eurocrisis news? I have to wonder if or how, if Mitt had been elected, that the stocks would have ticked up. Interesting times...
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Old 07.11.2012, 19:29
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But take that direct democracy, apply it to the European Union, and all hell breaks loose. It wouldn't work for the US any more than it would work for the EU which is a better comparison to a culturally diverse nation of more than 300 million people.
Direct democracy (or anything close to it) has certainly not been applied to the EU, or anywhere within it.

If it had, we might not be where we are now.
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Direct democracy (or anything close to it) has certainly not been applied to the EU, or anywhere within it.

If it had, we might not be where we are now.
My point was direct democracy could not work in the EU, nor in the United States. Thank heavens for Switzerland that direct democracy hasn't been applied to the EU. Things could get ugly fast.
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Old 07.11.2012, 20:21
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Probably not - but Obama nonetheless has to take responsibility for the fleecing we Americans abroad have been subjected to policies of his administration.

Romney was an unknown on the subject, as his campaign kept dodging the question.

As said, I voted for the least objectionable candidate.

As I haven't moved yet (planned for May of next year), what kind of taxing issues are you running into? Just trying to get prepared.
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Old 07.11.2012, 21:02
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As I haven't moved yet (planned for May of next year), what kind of taxing issues are you running into? Just trying to get prepared.
Getting a bank account, for one.

Being double-taxed, for another.

Paying capital gains when there are none (due to the crashing dollar).

Wasting time filling out forms to show that you owe nothing.

The list goes on, luckily I'm out of it, and my kids are planning to get out as well.

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Old 07.11.2012, 21:03
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As a US citizen you have always been required to file a tax return on your world-wide earnings. Sometimes, you will owe money to the US despite not residing there, this is more prevalent in lower tax rate country. The Obama administration did not make this up. What is new is the filing of banking forms, via FACTA and FBAR. Take a look at American Citizens Abroad to get an idea of what you might run into when living overseas...
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Old 07.11.2012, 21:11
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FBAR isn't new, it's been around for 40 years, it's just a) they've never enforced it before and b) with the dollar going down the toilet (it's worth about 1/3 of what it was the first time I came here), it's really easy to go over the FBAR limits.

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Fun. We'll see how it impacts us. I won't be working at first (for at least a couple years, I think). I'm American and my husband is Swiss (US greencard). We already have a bank account in Switzerland that we got when we bought our house (only in my husband's name as they won't put me on it. That's ok.). It'll be fun seeing how to organize all of it. :-/

Sorry for the diversion! Back to post-election talk

My FB page is definitely still going nuts over the election. I have friends posting "victory" photos, e.g.

Plus, there are a lot of happy LBGT folks out there today. My conservative friends are being very melodramatic. Still lots of debating going on. Fun. Fun.
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Fun. We'll see how it impacts us. I won't be working at first (for at least a couple years, I think). I'm American and my husband is Swiss (US greencard). We already have a bank account in Switzerland that we got when we bought our house (only in my husband's name as they won't put me on it. That's ok.). It'll be fun seeing how to organize all of it. :-/

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And just like that, the country and national tone has changed almost overnight.

The beauty of America is in it's diversity, much in the same way a city like Geneva is beautiful. Every nation in the world is represented in the American ethos. This nation was founded in 1776, but is continuously perfected with each passing generation.

Let's hope that President Obama and the United States can deliver good leadership not just to America, but to the world and help Europe out of this economic crisis. It's gone on long enough.
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