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How long do you think citizens (of any country) should still be able to vote 'back home', after leaving the country. As a Swiss living in the UK, I could have voted here in CH, but didn't. I felt it would be wrong to vote when you live abroad, are not totally 'au fait' with what's happening 'back home'- but most importantly, would not have to personally live the consequences of the decisions made (of course a lot more complicated if you are Swiss as you are asked to vote on so many issues on a regular basis).?
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Re: U.S. Presidential Election 2012

In my opinion, I *should* be able to vote wherever I pay taxes. As a US citizen who has been living in Europe for close to 23 years, I am no longer "a jour" on US politics (my opinions are, of course, formed by the European media).

On the other hand, I am not allowed to vote where my vote *would* be important - here in my town and the canton where live and work. There have been many general elections where I would have liked to have a say - for example, the decision in my town to change the tax rates or to undertake a large, expensive new building project with "my" tax money.

In other words, I have been living with "taxation without representation" since 1990.

That's why I would love to see the whole voting process changed - it shouldn't matter what color your passport is -- if you pay taxes, you should have a voice. If you don't pay, you don't have a say.

Now everyone who collects welfare will start screaming that they aren't represented, blah blah blah. Sorry ... there is a saying in German - "Wer zahlt, entscheidet," which translates to "the one who pays decides."
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Re: U.S. Presidential Election 2012

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How long do you think citizens (of any country) should still be able to vote 'back home', after leaving the country. As a Swiss living in the UK, I could have voted here in CH, but didn't. I felt it would be wrong to vote when you live abroad, are not totally 'au fait' with what's happening 'back home'- but most importantly, would not have to personally live the consequences of the decisions made (of course a lot more complicated if you are Swiss as you are asked to vote on so many issues on a regular basis).?
I know in Quebec, after 2 years of temporary expatriation, I am not aloud to vote. I wish I could. After 8 years abroad, it was the first time I wish I could have exerce my right to vote but apparently, I don't possess that right anymore.
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Old 01.09.2012, 20:46
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How long do you think citizens (of any country) should still be able to vote 'back home', after leaving the country. As a Swiss living in the UK, I could have voted here in CH, but didn't. I felt it would be wrong to vote when you live abroad, are not totally 'au fait' with what's happening 'back home'- but most importantly, would not have to personally live the consequences of the decisions made (of course a lot more complicated if you are Swiss as you are asked to vote on so many issues on a regular basis).?
Indeed, I never voted in the US after becoming Swiss in 1997, as I felt it was wrong.

I only dumped my US citizenship in 2009 as I couldn't be bother to go all the way to Bern to do so, but as my US passport expired in 2006, I had to do so in case I wanted to go to the US.

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Re: U.S. Presidential Election 2012

This thread has veered off topic, but before I bring it back I want toaddress a few things:

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I loathe this argument - voting is not a "right" or "deciding" anything, but rather the means by which you grant complete strangers a proxy to exercise your rights on your behalf. by refusing to vote, you are effectively refusing to grant any of the strangers on the ballot the right to exercise your "power" on your behalf, which is just as powerful a statement as voting for the lesser of multiple evils. yes, one person refusing to vote would be a meaningless statement, and yes, some people fail to vote because they are simply lazy or uninformed (although many people who choose to vote are likewise lazy or uninformed), but when 10's of millions of citizens refuse to vote it is a meaningful statement as to the state of the union. my personal wish is that every single person who does not find a candidate on the ballot that they truly want to grant proxy to will refuse to vote, which is the only way that our backasswards political system will ever be compelled to change.

it was written as "we, the people" for a reason, after all.
You make some excellent points I agree with, but I did not say voting is a right. Voting is a privilege and one that should not be taken lightly. Yes, you are making a statement when you choose not to vote because you don't like any of the candidates.

Unfortunately as a recent court case in Nevada proves, "none of the above" can't win. An actual person wins, and that person is the one that gets the most actual votes. On a personal note, I think the idea of putting "none of the above" on a ballot is fabulous and allows voters to make a louder collective statement than just not voting.

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How long do you think citizens (of any country) should still be able to vote 'back home', after leaving the country. As a Swiss living in the UK, I could have voted here in CH, but didn't. I felt it would be wrong to vote when you live abroad, are not totally 'au fait' with what's happening 'back home'- but most importantly, would not have to personally live the consequences of the decisions made (of course a lot more complicated if you are Swiss as you are asked to vote on so many issues on a regular basis).?
I think if you're still a citizen you should be able to vote back home as long as you wish and as long as you still have some kind of connection. I am not eligible to vote in CH and will not be for several years. It is unreasonable to ask me to not have any voting rights anywhere just because I left my home country for a while.

Perhaps you were not 'au fait' with what was happening back home, and you made the informed choice not to vote. I am well plugged-in (probably as a result of my long involvement with elections) and as such I want my voice heard. I do (and my family does) personally live with the consequences of decisions made - FACTA being one of many.

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I know in Quebec, after 2 years of temporary expatriation, I am not aloud to vote. I wish I could. After 8 years abroad, it was the first time I wish I could have exerce my right to vote but apparently, I don't possess that right anymore.
I thought it was five years for Canadians, but as you have been abroad for eight it is a moot point. I am sorry you cannot vote now that you want to.

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Indeed, I never voted in the US after becoming Swiss in 1997, as I felt it was wrong.
I respect your decision, particularly since you acquired the red passport.

Now, to bring it all back around...if you are a U.S. citizen in Switzerland that would like to vote in the November election and you need assistance in doing so, I am here to help. I am not here to tell you who to vote for or whether to vote.

Thank you all for the comments and lively discussion.
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I know in Quebec, after 2 years of temporary expatriation, I am not aloud to vote. I wish I could. After 8 years abroad, it was the first time I wish I could have exerce my right to vote but apparently, I don't possess that right anymore.
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Old 03.09.2012, 16:32
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This thread has veered off topic, but before I bring it back I want toaddress a few things:



You make some excellent points I agree with, but I did not say voting is a right. Voting is a privilege and one that should not be taken lightly. Yes, you are making a statement when you choose not to vote because you don't like any of the candidates.

Unfortunately as a recent court case in Nevada proves, "none of the above" can't win. An actual person wins, and that person is the one that gets the most actual votes. On a personal note, I think the idea of putting "none of the above" on a ballot is fabulous and allows voters to make a louder collective statement than just not voting.



I think if you're still a citizen you should be able to vote back home as long as you wish and as long as you still have some kind of connection. I am not eligible to vote in CH and will not be for several years. It is unreasonable to ask me to not have any voting rights anywhere just because I left my home country for a while.

Perhaps you were not 'au fait' with what was happening back home, and you made the informed choice not to vote. I am well plugged-in (probably as a result of my long involvement with elections) and as such I want my voice heard. I do (and my family does) personally live with the consequences of decisions made - FACTA being one of many.



I thought it was five years for Canadians, but as you have been abroad for eight it is a moot point. I am sorry you cannot vote now that you want to.



I respect your decision, particularly since you acquired the red passport.

Now, to bring it all back around...if you are a U.S. citizen in Switzerland that would like to vote in the November election and you need assistance in doing so, I am here to help. I am not here to tell you who to vote for or whether to vote.

Thank you all for the comments and lively discussion.
Nil is talking about provincel election ( State in yor case).She can vote in Canadian affairs .
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Re: U.S. Presidential Election 2012

Voting is just a necessary bureaucratic evil of democracy.

I'll stick my neck out here and say that unless Obama tries to close down all fast food outlets before November, Mitt Romney won't even get close to moving his furniture to DC by next January.
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I'll stick my neck out here and say that unless Obama tries to close down all fast food outlets before November, Mitt Romney won't even get close to moving his furniture to DC by next January.
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Voting is just a necessary bureaucratic evil of democracy.

I'll stick my neck out here and say that unless Obama tries to close down all fast food outlets before November, Mitt Romney won't even get close to moving his furniture to DC by next January.
Mr. Wishes pointed out that if Romney were to win, perhaps all this FACTA fun would get reversed or at least toned down. But there I go again OT on my own thread...
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Mr. Wishes pointed out that if Romney were to win, perhaps all this FACTA fun would get reversed or at least toned down. But there I go again OT on my own thread...
I wouldn't even vote for Rmoney if he promised to stop taxing expats.
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Mr. Wishes pointed out that if Romney were to win, perhaps all this FACTA fun would get reversed or at least toned down. But there I go again OT on my own thread...

why?

BTW, how many expats are there? Maybe we should petition to have a representative in congress and 2 senators. I mean, Rhode Island with a population of just over 1 million gets those senators and 2 congresspeople. Maybe we could get one of each
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why?
It was a tongue-in-cheek reference to Romney's overseas accounts (including those in CH). He's not going to witch-hunt himself or make it harder to hide his own money.
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Re: U.S. Presidential Election 2012

Now that Chuck Norris has declared his support for Mitt Romney, wouldn't Obama be better off just giving up while he still has all his vital organs?
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Why do you people believe there is any difference between these candidates?
Is there any difference in agenda between GWB and Obama? No, the agenda stays the same no matter who we are told to elect.

Mitts economic plan: 12 million new jobs by extending the bush tax cuts, Yeah!
Of course it was a total failure when Barry did it in 2010, but this time will be different, cause it will be a republican


I have lost all hope for my country. Best let it burn to the ground and rebuild and maybe, just maybe, our people will have learned a lesson by then. Until then, God bless the police states. Long live brutality and warfare.
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Why do you people believe there is any difference between these candidates?
Is there any difference in agenda between GWB and Obama? No, the agenda stays the same no matter who we are told to elect.

Mitts economic plan: 12 million new jobs by extending the bush tax cuts, Yeah!
Of course it was a total failure when Barry did it in 2010, but this time will be different, cause it will be a republican


I have lost all hope for my country. Best let it burn to the ground and rebuild and maybe, just maybe, our people will have learned a lesson by then. Until then, God bless the police states. Long live brutality and warfare.
The solution is very simple !Creat more political party`s
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Another "lesser of two evils" contest.
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Re: U.S. Presidential Election 2012

Quick thread bump and a heads-up: Voter registration deadlines for many states are about one month from now (~30 days before the general election).

If you are not registered or your registration information is not current, best to get it taken care of sooner rather than later. Let me know if you need help.
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There are many races "down-ballot" that can be considered more important than the presidential race. After all, your senators and congressmen/women are the ones that write the laws. In some states, you can also vote for your state legislators even if you are overseas. As I said to someone in PM, the laws that are passed at each level still impact your family, your friends, and your taxes.
I would be interested in the information. I registered to vote in the last election and was able to submit an absentee ballot.

However, the new law states (correct me if I am wrong) that prior registration is no longer valid and no absentee ballots will be sent to people unless they register according to the new system.

My recent efforts to register show one major difference: I last registered to vote in national elections. This was intentional since I read that registering to vote in state elections - even if you no longer have an address there - makes you legally obligated to pay state income tax. I do not know if this is still true but I would strongly recommend that one confirms the veracity of this BEFORE they make themselves liable to even more foreign tax than they are now.

So - in summary - how does one register ONLY for national elections?
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