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politics be damned but it's sure hard not to dig a dude who knows the words to "Catfish Blues".

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Old 18.10.2012, 00:00
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This looks realy realy badhttp://www.theatlanticwire.com/polit...orating/57960/
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Old 18.10.2012, 00:11
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Foreigners should keep their mouth shut about American politics.
Afraid you might learn something from people with other viewpoints?
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Foreigners should keep their mouth shut about American politics.

But would everybody please vote Obama / Biden, for sanity's sake. Thank you.
US federal politics is NOT "American politics" and US presidential politics is "World politics" and so ALL NON-Americans have to "participate" as far as possible

US presidential elections are world politics until the USA goes back to its PRE-1914 role.

However, US voters anyway do NOT care too much about the opinion of non-Americans. They even believe that GWB-jr had increased the reputation of the USA in the world, while he rather ruined it. American voters voted in favour of an aging actor for the presidency who did a mighty show.

So that you might explain why NON-Americans should have the slightest hesitation to talk about people in USA federal politcs ?

Non-French do NOT vote about the French president, but of course did, do, will and should talk about the issue there. NON-Germans do NOT vote for the Bundestag, but everybody takes a heavy interest in whomever is the new Bundeskanzler. And everybody speaks about whom is or is to become British Prime Minister and the defacto most important political leader in the British Empire ..... sorry I mean the Commonwealth of Nations
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Foreigners should keep their mouth shut about American politics.
Maybe when America shutsTFU about others and gets their fat, grubby, meddling fingers out of our all those pieces of 'foreign' pie that they just can't resist sticking them into, then they will.

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Old 18.10.2012, 09:21
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Maybe when you STFU about others and get your fat, grubby, meddling fingers out of our all those pieces of 'foreign' pie that you just can't resist sticking them into, then we will.
Ummm, ThomasT is Swiss!

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FO with your rolleyes - how the fk am I supposed to know that?
Listen, I know you're some sort of EF saddo with way to much time on your hands and therefore know everything about everyone here, but I'm afraid I have a life and have no idea who ThomasT is.
Therefore, it is not a particularly f'king hard concept - even for you - to understand why I might have thought this random name on the internet was an American by the nature of his post.



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Old 18.10.2012, 10:15
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Re: US presidential election 2012

Well, I'm American, and I agree that U.S. politics are a worldly affair, since they do affect so many people outside of the U.S.

In fact... perhaps if more non-Americans were allowed to vote, GWB would never have been elected for a second term and the U.S. would be in a better state than it is in now.

Sorry, but I lost all faith in my "fellow" Americans when that f**k was voted in for a second term. And I lost all faith in the voting system when he somehow managed to take office the first time without winning the popular vote.
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Old 18.10.2012, 10:18
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In fact... perhaps if more non-Americans were allowed to vote, GWB would never have been elected for a second term and the U.S. would be in a better state than it is in now.
Why would you ever allow non US-citizens to vote? Some of these people live in countries that, while allied with the US, might have different economic/political interests that come in direct conflict with the best interests of the US. How do you think people with these conflicting mindsets are going to vote? For the US? Or for their home country's interests? How will that help the US?

BTW, you have a lot of hostility towards someone that hasn't been President for almost an entire term now.
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Old 18.10.2012, 10:42
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FO with your rolleyes - how the fk am I supposed to know that?
Listen, I know you're some sort of EF saddo with way to much time on your hands and therefore know everything about everyone here, but I'm afraid I have a life and have no idea who ThomasT is.
Therefore, it is not a particularly f'king hard concept - even for you - to understand why I might have thought this random name on the internet was an American by the nature of his post.

Holy cow. This is a prime example of when it's time for a poster to take a step back from the computer and get his emotions in check.
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Why would you ever allow non US-citizens to vote?
Quite simple, because it has an impact on ones daily life and that person is a contributer (e.g.taxes) and receiver (e.g. social benefits, etc) of the system as a direct result of its political decisions.

I am not talking about people around the world with no connections to vote, but rather the case of US long term residents and the like, as CH has done in some Cantons.

Here I vote locally as it has an important impact on my daily life.
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Also, and I've asked this before. Why do Americans worry so much about who is President? IMO, the things that Congress does are much more impactful than the things the President does. It is Congress who writes the laws, after all. The President can sign or veto the law (and can send 'suggestions' on what kind of law would be signed or vetoed), but does not actually directly impact the law itself. Many laws are signed by Presidents simply because they believe a veto would fail, not because they always agree with the law.

Curiously, Americans have an incredibly low opinion of Congress as a whole, as shown by a Gallup poll conducted in August that found that only 10% approved of the job Congress is doing; however, when asked, Americans overwhelmingly refuse to assign the "blame" to their own Senators and Representatives, i.e. "Congress is horrible, but my Senator/Representative is doing a good job." If everyone's Senator or Representative is doing a good job, then why is Congress seen in such a poor light? Obviously, there is a HUGE disconnect here. Its a disconnect that average Americans routinely ignore as we watch the Presidential candidates debate each other, saying nothing of significance and quibbling around the middle.

Americans rarely look at the "seniority system" in place in Congress, but it factors heavily into incumbency. Everyone wants to keep their Congress-critter in office for longer, because that means increasingly important committee seats that translate into significant quantities of Federal money heading into that specific district/state. Never mind that this might be robbing another district of millions to pay the first district tens of thousands. I don't know of a better system, but I do know this current one has huge flaws, and I am frustrated that it isn't being examined nearly closely enough by the people who might be able to come up with a better solution.
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Old 18.10.2012, 11:10
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Quite simple, because it has an impact on ones daily life and that person is a contributer (e.g.taxes) and receiver (e.g. social benefits, etc) of the system as a direct result of its political decisions.

I am not talking about people around the world with no connections to vote, but rather the case of US long term residents and the like, as CH has done in some Cantons.

Here I vote locally as it has an important impact on my daily life.
If you're that invested in the system, become a citizen, so you may vote. However long I may stay here in Switzerland, I understand I am not Swiss and I have no expectation that I should be able to tell the Swiss, by voting, how they are to run their country.
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Re: US presidential election 2012

[QUOTE=Jobsrobertsharpii;1691582]Also, and I've asked this before. Why do Americans worry so much about who is President? IMO, the things that Congress does are much more impactful than the things the President does.

Hear, hear. Been trying to explain this to my foreign friends also. In our government, it almost does not matter who is President because (compared to other countries) our parties are so close. What you should at is his staff and who is qualified on his staff and their interests, Congress, The Fed (huge) and The Court (lastly).

Unfortunately, the Pres matters more as a figurehead to rile up the country or other countries. GWB2 didn't run the country, his cronnies in staff did. JFK didn't run the country, his brother in Staff did.....
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I love it when Brits moan about the United States meddling in other countries' affairs...

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FO with your rolleyes - how the fk am I supposed to know that?
Listen, I know you're some sort of EF saddo with way to much time on your hands and therefore know everything about everyone here, but I'm afraid I have a life and have no idea who ThomasT is.
Therefore, it is not a particularly f'king hard concept - even for you - to understand why I might have thought this random name on the internet was an American by the nature of his post.
Thank you for the compliment ... waiting for the lord to make it happen... someday !!

"Wait on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the LORD." (PS 27.14)
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I love it when Brits moan about the United States meddling in other countries' affairs...

At first I thought that was a "too many chefs" joke...
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That's totally different. You cannot compare.

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Also, and I've asked this before. Why do Americans worry so much about who is President? IMO, the things that Congress does are much more impactful than the things the President does. It is Congress who writes the laws, after all. The President can sign or veto the law (and can send 'suggestions' on what kind of law would be signed or vetoed), but does not actually directly impact the law itself. Many laws are signed by Presidents simply because they believe a veto would fail, not because they always agree with the law.

Curiously, Americans have an incredibly low opinion of Congress as a whole, as shown by a Gallup poll conducted in August that found that only 10% approved of the job Congress is doing; however, when asked, Americans overwhelmingly refuse to assign the "blame" to their own Senators and Representatives, i.e. "Congress is horrible, but my Senator/Representative is doing a good job." If everyone's Senator or Representative is doing a good job, then why is Congress seen in such a poor light? Obviously, there is a HUGE disconnect here. Its a disconnect that average Americans routinely ignore as we watch the Presidential candidates debate each other, saying nothing of significance and quibbling around the middle.

Americans rarely look at the "seniority system" in place in Congress, but it factors heavily into incumbency. Everyone wants to keep their Congress-critter in office for longer, because that means increasingly important committee seats that translate into significant quantities of Federal money heading into that specific district/state. Never mind that this might be robbing another district of millions to pay the first district tens of thousands. I don't know of a better system, but I do know this current one has huge flaws, and I am frustrated that it isn't being examined nearly closely enough by the people who might be able to come up with a better solution.
Well, 48 people in the Senate are from those OTHER states and only TWO from the only true state of the USA
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