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Re: Afghanistan: US marines urinate on dead bodies

its disgusting to see so many comments trying to belittle or even justify this. shame on you!

US government is not so unconcerned though, they know the real consequences of this. Who can dispute that hundreds of more young Afghans would pick up arms tomorrow morning just because of this?
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Old 12.01.2012, 21:01
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its disgusting to see so many comments trying to belittle or even justify this. shame on you!
I don't agree with that.

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US government is not so unconcerned though, they know the real consequences of this. Who can dispute that hundreds of more young Afghans would pick up arms tomorrow morning just because of this?
I do agree with that.
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It already exists..it's called the Geneva Convention. Even US army has its own code of conduct and rules of engagement every soldier should comply to.
Which is why these guys will be identified and punished, because there is a code for Marines which they broke

What they did is wrong. To those of us who've never been in that type of place it is hard to imagine what was going through their heads to make them think it was ok to do. I have a friend that came back from the 2nd Gulf War seriously messed up, his values and views on right vs. wrong changed drastically after being there and to this day he's never fully returned.

While many are quick to condemn let's not be so quick to forget that the great majority of us have never, and will never, experience what these people have and continue to go through, and be glad we're not the ones who are there. Being in places like that does change people and most often not for the better.

Please, do not start up any flame wars on "it's their choice to be there" as that is way over simplified and mostly untrue as there are very, very few who actually want to be there.
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PS: Just in case I don't defend any peeing action here, but I understand the atrocities made by humans.
Would you be as understanding if it was your father or son's dead body?
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Re: Afghanistan: US marines urinate on dead bodies

The thing is, when US marines break the rules and get caught, they're held accountable. The other side don't really have any rules.

I remember that moderate member of the Pakistani government who was assassinated by a member of his own bodyguard, who was then garlanded and treated as a national hero - when he should have been vilified as a treacherous murderer.
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There are places where people become animals where it isn't a war zone - one such place is Quantanamo. Pissing on dead bodies is almost a good deed in comparison.
You can't find one documented instance to back that statement up.
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let's not be so quick to forget that the great majority of us have never, and will never, experience what these people have and continue to go through, and be glad we're not the ones who are there.
I respect this view. How would it be if we zoomed out of this scene and include in the group of the responsible , the people who sent these soldiers there. Politicians, industrialists , war profiteers etc. who are benefitting from this ongoing conflict? Indeed like an earlier Poster stated "war has always been this way" . To me it seems war has always been this way, to benefit a partiucular class. How is the average American or westerner benefitting form this nonsense?
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The thing is, when US marines break the rules and get caught, they're held accountable. The other side don't really have any rules.
The thing you have to keep in mind is that the US preaches such incredibly golden ethics. So when we continue - again and again - to see examples of them behaving below this standard they purport to have, it really angers and upsets people.

The US is all about "justice" and "freedom." They talk the talk (a lot) so when it's not backed up by their actions, the response is different versus many other countries who don't consistently talk as though they're the kings and queens of strong morals and behavior.
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The thing you have to keep in mind is that the US preaches such incredibly golden ethics. So when we continue - again and again - to see examples of them behaving below this standard they purport to have, it really angers and upsets people.
One more vote for the Taliban blowing up girls' schools.

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The US is all about "justice" and "freedom." They talk the talk (a lot) so when it's not backed up by their actions, the response is different versus many other countries who don't consistently talk as though they're the kings and queens of strong morals and behavior.
So it's ok to NOT have strong morals and behavior as long as you don't talk about it. Are you British?
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There is 130,000 troops in Afghan, I am sure if you put 130,000 civvies together, you would get more than a handful of idiots.
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Would you be as understanding if it was your father or son's dead body?
Or alternatively would you be so outraged if the dead people in the scene had murdered your son or father. You can slap a load of contexts behind it without knowing the real picture.
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its disgusting to see so many comments trying to belittle or even justify this. shame on you!

US government is not so unconcerned though, they know the real consequences of this. Who can dispute that hundreds of more young Afghans would pick up arms tomorrow morning just because of this?
It's sickening and revolting to see such sweeping moral crowing without knowing the circumstance of the picture.
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The thing you have to keep in mind is that the US preaches such incredibly golden ethics. So when we continue - again and again - to see examples of them behaving below this standard they purport to have, it really angers and upsets people.

The US is all about "justice" and "freedom." They talk the talk (a lot) so when it's not backed up by their actions, the response is different versus many other countries who don't consistently talk as though they're the kings and queens of strong morals and behavior.

Americans talk about concepts such as justice, freedom, and morals because as a society, we generally believe in these concepts. Also, in general, we realize that we don't always embody the principles that we preach. However, that being said, no country in the history of mankind has expended so many resources trying to accomplish what it believes to be morally right, has freely given so much of its natural wealth to countries in need, and has committed so much of its national conscience to introspection and becoming more consistent in embodying these same concepts.
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It's sickening and revolting to see such sweeping moral crowing without knowing the circumstance of the picture.
sickening and revolting is the stink emanating from this ridiculous comment.

cant you just grab the opportunity to be a decent person and call evil what it is? i am sick of tired of hearing this "this is war" nonsense...these people are dead already, and urinating on them is nothing but a display of unintelligent viciousness, evil and lack of human decency.

dont you realize that this behavior will result in more of your beloved marines returning home in steel, refrigerated coffins?

dont you realize that one day these urinating marines may be your neighbor, your boy friend, your daughters boyfriend, or your local cop?
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sickening and revolting is the stink emanating from this ridiculous comment.
While I believe that the described behavior of the Marines in question was reprehensible and not at all a representation of US armed forces, I do believe the poster's comment is valid. It amazes me how often people take an event out of context or simply create a new and sometimes entirely fictitious context based on limited information in a picture or a video posted on the internet.
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sickening and revolting is the stink emanating from this ridiculous comment.

cant you just grab the opportunity to be a decent person and call evil what it is? i am sick of tired of hearing this "this is war" nonsense...these people are dead already, and urinating on them is nothing but a display of unintelligent viciousness, evil and lack of human decency.

dont you realize that this behavior will result in more of your beloved marines returning home in steel, refrigerated coffins?

dont you realize that one day these urinating marines may be your neighbor, your boy friend, your daughters boyfriend, or your local cop?
this sort of blunt lack of understanding makes me feel physically ill.

Have you no ability to comprehend that humans act differently when put under different kinds of pressure ? More soldiers will come home in coffins I am sure, more Taliban fighters will get killed. That isn't the point of this discussion.

Urinating on dead bodes is a terrible act but it is not surprising one iota given the circumstances the fighters are living under. Respect for the dead arrives when there is respect for the living, and unfortunately, at the moment, these guys are fighting each other.
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Americans talk about concepts such as justice, freedom, and morals because as a society, we generally believe in these concepts. Also, in general, we realize that we don't always embody the principles that we preach. However, that being said, no country in the history of mankind has expended so many resources trying to accomplish what it believes to be morally right, has freely given so much of its natural wealth to countries in need, and has committed so much of its national conscience to introspection and becoming more consistent in embodying these same concepts.
Question - are you running for office? Republican I guess ...
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There is 130,000 troops in Afghan, I am sure if you put 130,000 civvies together, you would get more than a handful of idiots.
Well, there's over 68'000 signed up members of EF, so I think that's pretty much proven.
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this sort of blunt lack of understanding makes me feel physically ill.

Have you no ability to comprehend that humans act differently when put under different kinds of pressure ? More soldiers will come home in coffins I am sure, more Taliban fighters will get killed. That isn't the point of this discussion.

Urinating on dead bodes is a terrible act but it is not surprising one iota given the circumstances the fighters are living under. Respect for the dead arrives when there is respect for the living, and unfortunately, at the moment, these guys are fighting each other.
urinating on the enemy you killed is pretty surprising, hence all the worldwide uproar

get your head checked

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