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Old 21.03.2012, 16:02
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Seems the Afghanistani people have been done up like a kipper by the American Military once more.
No way. If it was him, and it appears to be certain it was, he'll be convicted.
There are witness statements, forensics etc. etc.
My money is on a conviction of this guy.
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Old 21.03.2012, 16:03
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Re: Nato Soldier shot dead 16 civilians including children in Afghanistan

[QUOTE=Mikers;1519507]Defence lawyer for Sgt Robert Bales says there is "no evidence" of his guilt. He has in effect been whisked out of the country he (allegedly) committed the crime in, landed on home soil and now will attempt to prove himself innocent.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17454316

He might be innocent, I'm not really sure, but it certainly sounded like enough people saw him do it, there seems to be a general understanding it was him, but there might not be enough interviewable witnesses becasue, well, they are in afghanistan and not America.

Seems the Afghanistani people have been done up like a kipper by the American Military once more.[/QUOTE]

You really believe this guy would get a fair trail by the afghans ??
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Old 21.03.2012, 16:05
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No way. If it was him, and it appears to be certain it was, he'll be convicted.
There are witness statements, forensics etc. etc.
My money is on a conviction of this guy.
My money is on ,he is protecting some one or two
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You really believe this guy would get a fair trail by the afghans ??
I think it's overhwhelmingly obvious he did it, there are multiple witnesses and the speed with which he was removed speaks volumes for his guilt. He might now manage to get away with it, unless hard proof is made. OJ Simpson did, after all.

If he's given the death sentence for the murder of children (thats the norm if this was an american activity in america isn it ?) then no one can have any complaints. If people are unable to prove conclusively without any doubt it was him then he may just get away with it.

Which would lead many an Afghan Im sure to say to their fellow colleagues "Did you really believe this guy would get a fair trial by the Americans ?"
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Re: Nato Soldier shot dead 16 civilians including children in Afghanistan

More people seem to now believe that there was more than one murderer.

A fairer trial in the US or Afganistan?
In this particular case i think a fairer trial for Bales (and Co?) and the victims would be found in Afganistan.
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If people are unable to prove conclusively without any doubt it was him then he may just get away with it.
It's a done deal he'll get the death penalty, commuted to life if they can prove any kind of mental imbalance.

The Americans will not let this one slip. It's tarnished Uncle Sams boys, justice must be seen to be done.
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It's a done deal he'll get the death penalty, commuted to life if they can prove any kind of mental imbalance.

The Americans will not let this one slip. It's tarnished Uncle Sams boys, justice must be seen to be done.
I certainly hope so. Sometimes you have to look at the wider picture, whether thats morally right or not. This chap has to receive the same fate as his victims, whether its the "correct" decision or not. I think commuting it because of mental imbalance (which would be easily suggestible im sure) would enrage the Afghans and quite rightly so.
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Old 21.03.2012, 17:58
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I certainly hope so. Sometimes you have to look at the wider picture, whether thats morally right or not. This chap has to receive the same fate as his victims, whether its the "correct" decision or not. I think commuting it because of mental imbalance (which would be easily suggestible im sure) would enrage the Afghans and quite rightly so.
Would you please enlighten me ,what you exactly know about this crime .Just wanna make sure we hang the right guy
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Would you please enlighten me ,what you exactly know about this crime .Just wanna make sure we hang the right guy
Im suprised you've not seen it in the news. He has killed 16 afghan civilians in a night time rampage. The US Military initially wanted to keep his identity secret but it has emerged in the press.

If you look at most major broadsheets you should be able to catch up on the details pretty quickly.
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Old 21.03.2012, 18:41
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Im suprised you've not seen it in the news. He has killed 16 afghan civilians in a night time rampage. The US Military initially wanted to keep his identity secret but it has emerged in the press.

If you look at most major broadsheets you should be able to catch up on the details pretty quickly.
Please pay more attention to the news "He is ALLEGED to have killed"
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CNN: The soldier is accused of leaving a remote combat outpost on foot early Sunday and heading to neighboring villages in the Panjwai district of Afghanistan's Kandahar province.
In the village, he allegedly went house to house on a killing rampage.
Stories from Afghani witness tells that it was not only one Soldier, this is not based on eye witness but on conclusions as they see it difficult for only one soldier to go into each room, kill all whom are inside then collect them in one room and burn them then go to the next house which is not very near then the next.
This article has some quotes from Karzai about the case,
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CNN: Karzai said that he had spoken to U.S. President Barack Obama earlier Friday and that Obama had been upset by Afghanistan's response to the attack.
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-03-16/asia/world_asia_afghanistan-shooting_1_obama-and-karzai-afghan-president-hamid-karzai-afghan-civilians?_s=PM:ASIA
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Please pay more attention to the news "He is ALLEGED to have killed"
Which is exactly what his defense lawyer will be saying to the judge I have no doubt.
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More people seem to now believe that there was more than one murderer.

A fairer trial in the US or Afganistan?
In this particular case i think a fairer trial for Bales (and Co?) and the victims would be found in Afganistan.
you're absolutely right, the rule of law in Afghanistan is well-established and has been for several centuries.

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I certainly hope so. Sometimes you have to look at the wider picture, whether thats morally right or not. This chap has to receive the same fate as his victims, whether its the "correct" decision or not. I think commuting it because of mental imbalance (which would be easily suggestible im sure) would enrage the Afghans and quite rightly so.
I'm pretty sure that upsetting or pleasing the good people of Afghanistan will not factor at all into the matter, as it shouldn't. I'm also pretty sure that justice will ultimately be done - those who disapprove of how justice is handled in the US are more than welcome to avail themselves of the justice available to people in Afghanistan if they prefer, of course.
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I'm pretty sure that upsetting or pleasing the good people of Afghanistan will not factor at all into the matter, as it shouldn't. I'm also pretty sure that justice will ultimately be done - those who disapprove of how justice is handled in the US are more than welcome to avail themselves of the justice available to people in Afghanistan if they prefer, of course.
Are they? I thought the Afghanistan president himself asked for the case to be tried where the crime was committed however the US ignored him and flew the accused soldier out to America.
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Old 21.03.2012, 23:18
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Are they? I thought the Afghanistan president himself asked for the case to be tried where the crime was committed however the US ignored him and flew the accused soldier out to America.
It is well known the US is not handing there service members over to Foreign government to stand trail
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Are they? I thought the Afghanistan president himself asked for the case to be tried where the crime was committed however the US ignored him and flew the accused soldier out to America.
what I intended to convey was the following - if you lack confidence in the American justice system, you are welcome to test drive the justice system in Afghanistan.

fyi, Afghanistan still utterly lacks an organized judicial system.
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what I intended to convey was the following - if you lack confidence in the American justice system, you are welcome to test drive the justice system in Afghanistan.

fyi, Afghanistan still utterly lacks an organized judicial system.

100% agree, and that may explain the random ("may call it revenge") actions that Afghani are trying to do over the years of their occupation by the US, some of them just submit and wait for God's justice while others try to do whatever reaction they can based on the action done against them.
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100% agree, and that may explain the random ("may call it revenge") actions that Afghani are trying to do over the years of their occupation by the US, some of them just submit and wait for God's justice while others try to do whatever reaction they can based on the action done against them.
Done against them. Those innocent terrorist camp farmers and opium, well farmers. How dare they let the world's biggest mass murderer not bow to extradition, and have the country that that murder they were harboring not invade them. Such victims.

Now there are poor peasants that have had un just things happen to them...but come'on, you paint it as if that what the US has been waiting to do for years. I guarantee you 98% of the US populace had no idea where Afghanistan was before 9/11.
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100% agree, and that may explain the random ("may call it revenge") actions that Afghani are trying to do over the years of their occupation by the US, some of them just submit and wait for God's justice while others try to do whatever reaction they can based on the action done against them.
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2011/07/m...n-afghanistan/
Here some thing to read about.and let me know what happened to those killers
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