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fyi, the Turkish government was responsible for one of the most horrific war crimes of the 20th Century. and I bet the US government ensures that the families of the victims in Afghanistan get "justice" long before the Turkish government can even bring itself to admit its involvement in past war crimes.

the events in Afghanistan are inexcusable and horrific, but you're painting with far too broad a brush all over this thread.
ah, i think i should have remembered that i could not comment on any crime because my forefathers may have done such things in the past

no, can we just keep the thread more focused (i.e. american atrocities in afghanistan/iraq) and discuss turkish crimes in another thread, at another time?
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?

you for real?


example i brought is about another similar massacre by american soldiers, which is totally relevant to this thread

example you put forth is about satanist/gay kids being killed in iraq?

seems you had a few too many drinks tonight. bye
>satanist/gay kids in iraq
>satanist/gay kids
>satanist/gay

Just to clear things up for you, first part of my post was in reference to your wish for harsher punishment due to the shame. Second part was in reference to greenmount's DUI article.

And just so you don't go the rest of your life ill-informed: "emo" is a cute little subculture for kids to cling to, goofy hair and clothes and music. Nothing to do with satanism or ones sexuality. The killers in Iraq made those claims.


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??

this is about haditha massacre, where american soldiers gunned down 20+ iraqi civilians
What about the people that planted bombs to kill Americans
and other Iraqis?

What about the Afghan people that killed Americans after the
Koran was burned? If someone burned my bible, I certainly
would not go kill 20+ people.

It is a tit for tat where neither party is right. It is all wrong.
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Old 13.03.2012, 23:10
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What about the people that planted bombs to kill Americans
and other Iraqis?

What about the Afghan people that killed Americans after the
Koran was burned? If someone burned my bible, I certainly
would not go kill 20+ people.

It is a tit for tat where neither party is right. It is all wrong.
$hit man, there is no way to respond to these points. you got me, you win, i lose
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Old 13.03.2012, 23:11
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read the previous related post. and go ahead, tell us what you think about your soldiers killing civilians just yesterday. i bet you will never ever accept it, or criticize anybody from your tribe.

my hat is off to you if you prove me wrong
"my tribe" just went through another round of fighting with murderous terrorists with very few enemy civilians hurt (out of 26 dead, 22 were terrorist, 4 civilians who were in the vicinity of the fighting).

had "my tribe" used Turkish methods, there would a lot of trailing zeros behind those 4.

you got my answer, what about yours ?
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Old 13.03.2012, 23:11
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fyi, the Turkish government was responsible for one of the most horrific war crimes of the 20th Century. and I bet the US government ensures that the families of the victims in Afghanistan get "justice" long before the Turkish government can even bring itself to admit its involvement in past war crimes.

the events in Afghanistan are inexcusable and horrific, but you're painting with far too broad a brush all over this thread.
Just ask the Armenians.....those in the US are about a militant as it gets for all the understandable reasons.
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Old 13.03.2012, 23:15
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"my tribe" just went through another round of fighting with murderous terrorists with very few enemy civilians hurt (out of 26 dead, 22 were terrorist, 4 civilians who were in the vicinity of the fighting).

had "my tribe" used Turkish methods, there would a lot of trailing zeros behind those 4.

you got my answer, what about yours ?
i say any turkish soldier found guilty over killing civilians should be hanged, what do you say about israeli soldiers/settlers commuting similar crimes?
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Old 13.03.2012, 23:17
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face it and be shamed, just like any other human would/should do so

....

then him, i will be ashamed,
Ashamed? Whatever for? Saddened, yes. Concerned, yes. A bit baffled, yes.

Ashamed? No. The fact that he (and many others) volunteered to fight in the military means that no one has had to be drafted into service. You think there are atrocious things happening now, just think how bad they are when people who truly are in no way mentally and emotionally fit to be soldiers are forced into it.

Then again, I'm the type who usually tries to imagine what may be in someone's heart and mind and find some understanding, rather than simply decry how horrible they are. The man committed a heinous act. The man will be punished.

Study what happened, try to find the reasoning, try to understand and imagine from as many perspectives as possible, learn from it and move on.


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ah, i think i should have remembered that i could not comment on any crime because my forefathers may have done such things in the past

no, can we just keep the thread more focused (i.e. american atrocities in afghanistan/iraq) and discuss turkish crimes in another thread, at another time?
you're still missing the point - this isn't about American atrocities anywhere, it's about murders committed by a single individual. murders which are absolutely inexcusable and horrific.

and yes, for my money so long as you use phrases like "may have done", you should not comment on the sins of other countries. we're talking up to 1.5 million people, after all.
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i say any turkish soldier found guilty over killing civilians should be hanged, what do you say about israeli soldiers/settlers commuting similar crimes?
I don't share your blood lust - The death penalty should not be used for "normal" murders.

Israelis who do such things are thankfully very rare, and are jailed for very long periods for their crimes.

How many Turkish soldiers were hanged/put in jail for a verrry long time for the war crimes they committed ?
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Old 13.03.2012, 23:27
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Re: Nato Soldier shot dead 16 civilians including children in Afghanistan

events like this are an opportunity to reflect upon ourselves. if one can condemn the crime and feel for the victims regardless of color, race, religion, nationality, then we still have hope

if we are looking out for excuses for the crime because the criminal belongs to our own tribe, then we loose

I believe in divine justice, that it will be served to the fullest extent.

Its up to each and every one of us to decide where we stand on this issue.

thats all.
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Its up to each and every one of us to decide where we stand on this issue.

thats all.
No one on this board condemns the killing of 16 innocent women
and children. Put people in a war situation and eventually some
of them will crack.
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Old 13.03.2012, 23:35
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events like this are an opportunity to reflect upon ourselves. if one can condemn the crime and feel for the victims regardless of color, race, religion, nationality, then we still have hope

if we are looking out for excuses for the crime because the criminal belongs to our own tribe, then we loose

I believe in divine justice, that it will be served to the fullest extent.

Its up to each and every one of us to decide where we stand on this issue.

thats all.
An other 4 pages and we will be thru every war crime in the history of mankind .But before we hang the killer in Question can we wait till we know his name and maybe the motive

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example you put forth is about satanist/gay kids being killed in iraq?
Are you for real? The tone I get from this (by refusing to see it as a "good" comparison of levels of heinousness) is that you somehow think it is justifiable to kill people because of religion or sexuality?
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Old 13.03.2012, 23:53
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i say any turkish soldier found guilty over killing civilians should be hanged, what do you say about israeli soldiers/settlers commuting similar crimes?
Ah, the last resort of those who have no argument...the Israel card...usually pulled out to stymie the US and UK crowd who are afraid to answer that question. I don't live there and I'm not Jewish but, really, this is a canard that is at best ignored. This thread isn't about Israel.
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Ah, the last resort of those who have no argument...the Israel card...usually pulled out to stymie the US and UK crowd who are afraid to answer that question. I don't live there and I'm not Jewish but, really, this is a canard that is at best ignored. This thread isn't about Israel.
seems i am dealing with a bunch of drunks here. could you just read above and realize that the whole turkish/kurdish/armenian/israeli card was first pulled by your israeli friend pashosh?

thanks. have a good night already.
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seems i am dealing with a bunch of drunks here.
Not drunk here, I just can't fathom why you sympathize with the man who murdered those children.
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Ah, the last resort of those who have no argument...the Israel card...usually pulled out to stymie the US and UK crowd who are afraid to answer that question. I don't live there and I'm not Jewish but, really, this is a canard that is at best ignored. This thread isn't about Israel.
Indeed, the Israel Palestine conflict has already been solved by some of the finest minds in Switzerland.
I see no point in dragging it out any further, so please can we stay on-topic.
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seems i am dealing with a bunch of drunks here. could you just read above and realize that the whole turkish/kurdish/armenian/israeli card was first pulled by your israeli friend pashosh?

thanks. have a good night already.
I'm not quite that drunk, love...you pulled that card first, not pashosh. Does it make you uncomfortable? I'm more than able to expound on the issue, but it takes a bit more wine to go there. Don't stir the pot if you're not willing to go there and then some.

As for the OP...I'm still waiting for him to explain his agenda....
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