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Old 20.03.2012, 18:35
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It doesn't make a difference who is elected. They all work, or are forced to work for the same people. Ron Paul being the only exception.
Now imagine how far somebody can go who combines the integrity of Ron Paul and some of his basic and good ideas (such as about war and freedom) with a more compassionate outreach making him more acceptable to left of centre and liberal voters, and maybe a bit more charisma and the knack of playing the media rather than letting them play him.

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Do you really think Obama would have got into this dreadful war?
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Old 20.03.2012, 19:59
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Now imagine how far somebody can go who combines the integrity of Ron Paul and some of his basic and good ideas (such as about war and freedom) with a more compassionate outreach making him more acceptable to left of centre and liberal voters, and maybe a bit more charisma and the knack of playing the media rather than letting them play him.

Just a thought.
If he ran under a reform platform in which he emphasized returning honesty to D.C he would be dead in under a minute. Only because he would be more popular than God.

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Libya, Pakistan, a few other undisclosed places and the death, not capture and sent to trial, of an American citizen and his teenage son who made a few jihadist YouTube videos. Not to mention the signing of NDAA which I and my great, great grandfather (a former U.S President) would consider to be an act of treason.

You know guys, I really don't care anymore. I am struggling with a small bout of depression and I am sorry I started this thread in the first place, and some of the comments I have made. I wish Obama nothing but the best of luck and the strength to fight against the real rulers of our "democracy".

Peace, I'm out.
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Old 20.03.2012, 20:20
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Why not? US involvement in WWI was under Wilson (dem), US involvement in WWII was under Roosevelt (dem), US involvement in Viet Nam was primarily under Kennedy (dem), US involvement in Korea was under Truman (dem). Democrat presidents have sent the most US troops into conflicts abroad during the past century. (For the record, that's not meant to suggest there's anything particularly superior about their Republican counterparts.)

And more importantly, IIRC, Obama made a campaign promise to end "this dreadful war" shortly after taking office, but...

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Old 20.03.2012, 20:21
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After the St. Patricks day drunken messiness around my neighborhood, I think they need to make more things illegal.
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Old 20.03.2012, 20:22
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I voted for Gore, then Kerry, then Obama. And your sarcastic humor radar is malfunctioning.
But I will not vote for that spineless coward again. (not sarcastic)
What? You think I just got off of the bus? Your rhetoric matches nothing of what Gore and Kerry were about. You're an spot on replica of every angry dude that voted for Bush twice and watched it all go to hell. They're no longer self-described 'Republicans', they're now 'libertarians' and 'independents'. Good luck voting for the guy who can't even win the Republican nomination running as a Republican. I'd have more respect for his 'independent' status if he'd actually run as one. Running as a Republican just proves he's more interested in the power grab as much as the next guy.
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Old 20.03.2012, 20:47
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What? You think I just got off of the bus? Your rhetoric matches nothing of what Gore and Kerry were about. You're an spot on replica of every angry dude that voted for Bush twice and watched it all go to hell. They're no longer self-described 'Republicans', they're now 'libertarians' and 'independents'. Good luck voting for the guy who can't even win the Republican nomination running as a Republican. I'd have more respect for his 'independent' status if he'd actually run as one. Running as a Republican just proves he's more interested in the power grab as much as the next guy.
Actually I think you did just get off the bus because clearly you believe there is a difference between Demorats and Retardicans. And what was Kerry all about anyways? I still hold the Dems responsible for Bush's re election as they couldn't find anyone better than that douche to beat an even bigger douche. If only Al Gore would have run again he would have been a shoe in. But here we are now, a mountain of problems and no real solution in sight, just the same old bi-partisan B.S. Unless is something like NDAA which passed 87-13. They seem pretty united when it comes to flushing our great Nation down the drain.

Ron Paul. If he ran as an independent he would not be invited to any debates, as we have a two party binopoly if you didn't know, And voter fraud has been running rampant this year in broad daylight but America is too dumbed down and apathetic to give a damn.
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Old 20.03.2012, 20:53
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Re: In the U.S everything is illegal

This Executive Order was posted on the WhiteHouse.gov web site on Friday, March 16, 2012, under the name National Defense Resources Preparedness. In a nutshell, it's the blueprint for Peacetime Martial Law and it gives the president the power to take just about anything deemed necessary for "National Defense", whatever they decide that is. It's peacetime, because as the title of the order says, it's for "Preparedness".
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Old 20.03.2012, 21:15
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This Executive Order was posted on the WhiteHouse.gov web site on Friday, March 16, 2012, under the name National Defense Resources Preparedness. In a nutshell, it's the blueprint for Peacetime Martial Law and it gives the president the power to take just about anything deemed necessary for "National Defense", whatever they decide that is. It's peacetime, because as the title of the order says, it's for "Preparedness".
I don't see anything about "martial law", this is simply a corrollary to all the noise Obama is making about investment in manufacturing capacity in the US. there is really nothing in the Exec Order that was not the case in practice during WWII or the Korean War, for example.

I am hardly a fan of Obama, but the Exec Order is not particularly bothersome.
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Old 20.03.2012, 21:16
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This Executive Order was posted on the WhiteHouse.gov web site on Friday, March 16, 2012, under the name National Defense Resources Preparedness. In a nutshell, it's the blueprint for Peacetime Martial Law and it gives the president the power to take just about anything deemed necessary for "National Defense", whatever they decide that is. It's peacetime, because as the title of the order says, it's for "Preparedness".
Hmmm. Sounds like what they did during WW2, except formalized, coodinated, and spelled out before the need arises...
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Old 20.03.2012, 22:36
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I don't see anything about "martial law", this is simply a corrollary to all the noise Obama is making about investment in manufacturing capacity in the US. there is really nothing in the Exec Order that was not the case in practice during WWII or the Korean War, for example.

I am hardly a fan of Obama, but the Exec Order is not particularly bothersome.
Yeah gringo, not worried either. I am FEMA IS-700 certified (NIMS) which includes Firefighters, Paramedics, Police, and SWAT. "Individuals with emergency management responsibilities including prevention, preparedness, response, recovery and mitigation." The DHS will protect anyone under this umbrella in case of "civil disorder."

The EO does say;

".... be prepared... to take actions necessary... for national defense requirements"

So this just says; NDAA (posse commitatus), HR-347 (1st amendment), and Army Regulation 210-35 (Civilian Inmate Labor Program) are fair game.

But what do I know?
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Old 21.03.2012, 01:18
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I guess it's just about possible to lie motionless in your cellar for a day and not be guilty of a crime... even then, you could be done for loitering. (Pratchett).
Reminds me of Ewan McColl

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Yeah gringo, not worried either. I am FEMA IS-700 certified (NIMS) which includes Firefighters, Paramedics, Police, and SWAT. "Individuals with emergency management responsibilities including prevention, preparedness, response, recovery and mitigation." The DHS will protect anyone under this umbrella in case of "civil disorder."

The EO does say;

".... be prepared... to take actions necessary... for national defense requirements"

So this just says; NDAA (posse commitatus), HR-347 (1st amendment), and Army Regulation 210-35 (Civilian Inmate Labor Program) are fair game.

But what do I know?
our real concern about "military preparedness" should be the fact that our troops are already deployed all over the world.
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Old 21.03.2012, 09:05
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Not everything...Apparently you can arm yourself, act as a vigilante lawman and murder a black kid with skittles...Not illegal
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Re: In the U.S everything is illegal

Seems there are alot of frightened white middle class and `upwards`people in the US.Everything always has been and always will be organised to protect these worried people.

I remember how a mate of mine told me how he felt uncomfortable driving from Cananda to Mexico (slowly,taking in the views) as he got fed up of being searched by the Coppers on his way back from the pub on an evening.He much prefered the more relaxed way of Mexico.

I suppose the greed that drove the US was all very well and good until the land all got snapped up and there was`nt quite enough for everyone,certainly not after lots of people took more then their fair share of the cake.But if you dare speak up about this injustice,you get labelled a dirty stinking Communist yeh?Unpatriotic,even `an enemy of the people (of the rich people that is!)`.

I hope for all the good people of the US who have been so unfairly treated by the lot who `eat all the pies`so to speak,that the current President can at least lay some foundations for a better more social (try not to panic too much conservtive types,"social" is a word that represents civillised and not a mad Russian who wants to eat you for dinner) USA.
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Old 21.03.2012, 11:19
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Re: In the U.S everything is illegal

To be fair to the arguments, the same list of "illegalities" applies here. You can't have a flat roof, a yellow door or the wrong tree in your garden, and you have to apply if you want any other erection, like a greenhouse, shed or somewhere for mother in law to stay. The lists are endless.
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Old 21.03.2012, 11:36
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To be fair to the arguments, the same list of "illegalities" applies here. You can't have a flat roof, a yellow door or the wrong tree in your garden, and you have to apply if you want any other erection, like a greenhouse, shed or somewhere for mother in law to stay. The lists are endless.
*snickker* Imagine the planning permission for an "erection"
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Old 21.03.2012, 12:00
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You can't have a flat roof
Yes, you can, quite a few around here.

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Old 21.03.2012, 12:32
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*snickker* Imagine the planning permission for an "erection"
Haven't Zürich voters recently approved planning permission for an area where they are allowed? Somewhere behind Bahnhof Altstetten.
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Not everything...Apparently you can arm yourself, act as a vigilante lawman and murder a black kid with skittles...Not illegal
presumably you're referring to the shooting in Orlando, which is being investigated by the Fed. not sure what else you'd be looking for in terms of justice.
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