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Old 20.04.2012, 14:36
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Prisons for profit

Only in the U.S (land of the free, remember?).

Governors in 48 U.S. states are considering selling their state’s prisons to a for-profit corporation, with the stipulation that states must keep the prisons at a minimum occupancy rate of 90% for the next 20 years.
A $250 million proposal generated by Corrections Corporation of America, a Nashville-based prison management company, is offering to buy prisons in 48 states. This will not only exacerbate the problem of overpopulation in the prison system, but will also lead to a focus on financial gain at any cost: namely, saving money by hiring lower-paid, less experienced staff to deal with the inmates.
http://www.leap.cc/stop-incarceration-for-profit/



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Old 20.04.2012, 14:48
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This type of scheme has already been shown to be unjust, because "for profit" correctional facilities only "lose" people in the system in order to keep their facilities filled. It's also been shown that the accused, however innocent, may be convicted and sent to prison, just to meet the imprisonment quota. All of this just ends up in a commission of human rights violations.

Republican capitalism at its best.
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The fact that cops have arrest quotas and prisons inmate quotas makes me sick to my stomach. I know it's the case in many places in the US; not sure about Europe but it wouldn't surprise me.

A funny experiment would be for everyone to agree to not break the law for a certain period to see what kind of abuses and trumped up charges they'd resort to.
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Old 20.04.2012, 14:56
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This type of scheme has already been shown to be unjust, because "for profit" correctional facilities only "lose" people in the system in order to keep their facilities filled. It's also been shown that the accused, however innocent, may be convicted and sent to prison, just to meet the imprisonment quota. All of this just ends up in a commission of human rights violations.

Republican capitalism at its best.
I remember a few years ago they did this to a few federal prisons, the very next day they passed a minimum mandatory sentence law saying any illegal immigrant must serve MINIMUM 10 years. What happened to just deporting them? And what happens when you are standing before a judge who recieves commision to throw you in jail?

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Old 20.04.2012, 14:58
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The fact that cops have arrest quotas and prisons inmate quotas makes me sick to my stomach. I know it's the case in many places in the US; not sure about Europe but it wouldn't surprise me.

A funny experiment would be for everyone to agree to not break the law for a certain period to see what kind of abuses and trumped up charges they'd resort to.

There are sooooooooooooo many laws in the U.S now that if you show me a man I will show you his crime. Like sending a 12 year old to jail for farting in school but wait..........Lyndsey Lohan is showing her pantys again (frontpage).
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Old 20.04.2012, 15:04
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There are sooooooooooooo many laws in the U.S now that if you show me a man I will show you his crime. Like sending a 12 year old to jail for farting in school but wait..........Lyndsey Lohan is showing her pantys again (frontpage).
It's not her panties (page 3).
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Old 20.04.2012, 15:08
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I want to say that Michael Moore did a documentary that featured some private corporation Juvie correctional facility in Pennsylvania where kids were getting locked up and forgotten for being... well... juvenille pranksters.

"What did you do?"

"I shot spitwads at the teacher."

"How long are you locked up for?"

"Life."

Edit: ah yes... it was in "Capitalism: A Love Story."
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Is`nt there something similar mentioned in that book "Brave New World"?.
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Old 20.04.2012, 15:28
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Is`nt there something similar mentioned in that book "Brave New World"?.
Or the Hunger Games.
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Old 20.04.2012, 15:31
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This type of scheme has already been shown to be unjust, because "for profit" correctional facilities only "lose" people in the system in order to keep their facilities filled. It's also been shown that the accused, however innocent, may be convicted and sent to prison, just to meet the imprisonment quota. All of this just ends up in a commission of human rights violations.

Republican capitalism at its best.
The convicted judges in the Kids for Cash scandal were Democrats.

Not that Repubs are any better, but let's get the facts straight on how corruption flows freely through both parties.
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Old 20.04.2012, 15:33
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The convicted judges in the Kids for Cash scandal were Democrats.

Not that Repubs are any better, but let's get the facts straight on how corruption flows freely through both parties.
You took one post, tied it to another post, linked them together, and said I'm wrong.

What kind of logical fallacy is that? I'm too lazy to go find out but I'm sure it has a name.
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Old 20.04.2012, 15:40
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You took one post, tied it to another post, linked them together, and said I'm wrong.

What kind of logical fallacy is that? I'm too lazy to go find out but I'm sure it has a name.
My bad. I wasn't saying you were wrong. I suppose you were using "Republican capitalism" just as a general term. So, in that case, I guess it's capitalism that is the source of the problem.

I just get annoyed that there is this implication that things will get better if we just get the right people in, with the right people being, typically Democrats (or Repubs, depending on who you are talking to).

The same disease infects all of them, and there's something in the system that's broken.
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Do the punishment fit the crime profit margin? Not much chance of rehabilitation, then.

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In reality, though, Norway's approach is a radical version of the principles that fuel prison systems around the world: punish the crimes, rehabilitate the offender. America, of course, leans more heavily on the former. In Norway, where life sentences don't exist, and even the worst offenders usually serve no more than 21 years, the focus is distinctly on the latter...
Norway has a significantly lower recidivism rate than the United States
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Old 20.04.2012, 15:45
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I just get annoyed that there is this implication that things will get better if we just get the right people in, with the right people being, typically Democrats (or Repubs, depending on who you are talking to).

The same disease infects all of them, and there's something in the system that's broken.

Unless, of course, we elect Ron Paul. Then it WILL be different. lol
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Old 20.04.2012, 15:47
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...A funny experiment would be for everyone to agree to not break the law for a certain period to see what kind of abuses and trumped up charges they'd resort to.
Wasting police time, I guess.
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Regarding the privatization of prisons, my first thought would be whether or not it would make correction facilities run more.... correctly.

At the moment, they do not. If anything, our prisons are training grounds for hardened criminals. There is no visibility on how they are run. And there is no accountability. Instead of actually correcting individuals, they have become permanent institutions for a criminal underclass.

Now, if privatization would answer some of these issues, particularly in terms of accountability and visibility, then I would be in favor of it. Government is way too ineffective and incompetent to deal with this correctly.
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Do the punishment fit the crime profit margin? Not much chance of rehabilitation, then.
Well, and what about Breivik case in Norway? Unless he ends up in insane asylum (and he probably will), he could be out in 21 years. Doesn't sound right to me...
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Well, and what about Breivik case in Norway? Unless he ends up in insane asylum (and he probably will), he could be out in 21 years. Doesn't sound right to me...
Most likely not. Norway has a law which allows to keep dangerous peole detained even after they have served their prison sentence (if they still pose a treat to socity).
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Only in the U.S (land of the free, remember?).

Governors in 48 U.S. states are considering selling their state’s prisons to a for-profit corporation, with the stipulation that states must keep the prisons at a minimum occupancy rate of 90% for the next 20 years.
A $250 million proposal generated by Corrections Corporation of America, a Nashville-based prison management company, is offering to buy prisons in 48 states. This will not only exacerbate the problem of overpopulation in the prison system, but will also lead to a focus on financial gain at any cost: namely, saving money by hiring lower-paid, less experienced staff to deal with the inmates.
http://www.leap.cc/stop-incarceration-for-profit/



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Old 20.04.2012, 19:10
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Regarding the privatization of prisons, my first thought would be whether or not it would make correction facilities run more.... correctly.

At the moment, they do not. If anything, our prisons are training grounds for hardened criminals. There is no visibility on how they are run. And there is no accountability. Instead of actually correcting individuals, they have become permanent institutions for a criminal underclass.

Now, if privatization would answer some of these issues, particularly in terms of accountability and visibility, then I would be in favor of it. Government is way too ineffective and incompetent to deal with this correctly.
Criminals become "hardened" criminals because they have lots of free time, and they talk with fellow inmates which "inspires" them. Lifers who attacks other lifers, are in there for life anyways. Not to say that is good. But, they won't be re-educated to the point where returning them to society will happen if they are in there for life.
If you are talking about that you think by less funding for appropriate staff I don't if that will determine the amounts of knifings or rapes. The kind of prison system we have today, compared to say 100 years ago, is far more humane(THE US that is)-in general, useful for educational advancement, and reforming criminals. I doubt the levels of violence and inspiration on criminals from that time, compared to now were that much different, maybe even lower. I wonder how the US system of prisons fairs in inmate on inmate crimes, and return to prison rates to atleast 1/2 of the rest of the world's rates.

There has already been for profit prisons, I don't see why if there are more that is a problem? The US has severe budget and money issues, and I think spending that money to keep the streets safe, although there are heavy police cut backs as it is, is more important that upping spending on those who 90% of those are in there, can't take the right choice in life and want to have the greatest of care.

I am not trying to sound insensitive, but we need to cut spending and it needs to come from some where.
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