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Old 22.04.2012, 21:10
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French Presidential Elections started

According to TF1, Hollande got 28,6%, Sarkozy 27,0% and LePen 19%. Sarkozy now of course will try to get all the non-leftists onto his side. Even if the media talks about Hollande as the next Président-de-la-République, Sarkozy still has his chance.
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Old 22.04.2012, 22:45
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According to TF1, Hollande got 28,6%, Sarkozy 27,0% and LePen 19%. Sarkozy now of course will try to get all the non-leftists onto his side. Even if the media talks about Hollande as the next Président-de-la-République, Sarkozy still has his chance.
Will be interesting to follow but my money is not on Sarkozy; not that I have anything against him - I just do not think he will get there.....
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Old 22.04.2012, 22:49
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Re: French Presidential Elections started

So many French people are saying 'anybody, but anybody but Sarkozy, which I can truly understand and yet, dangerous somehow too.

20% for Le Pen is quite scary- she obviously has more appeal than Blocher - surprise! But really scary.
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Old 22.04.2012, 22:53
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Re: French Presidential Elections started

Seems like Hollande won round 1, the run off will be on the 6th of May.
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Old 23.04.2012, 23:53
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Seems like Hollande won round 1, the run off will be on the 6th of May.
There will be TV debates, and Mr Sarkozy will fight to the end. In the meantime, rich French by their hundreds are checking up things with lawyers and real-estate-agents on the Lake of Geneva.
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Re: French Presidential Elections started

Sarkozy is toast. Marine Le Pen has told her National Front voters to abstain in the 2nd round. Most of them will. Sarko then has the impossible task of simultaneously seducing her extreme right wingers AND the centrists whom he has completely ignored up to now. His key problem is that the majority of the french just want him out after five years of amateur dramatics and unkept promises.
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Re: French Presidential Elections started

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There will be TV debates, ...
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Will there be any?
When did you here that?

La droite accuse Hollande de fuir le débat


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In the meantime, rich French by their hundreds are checking up things with lawyers and real-estate-agents on the Lake of Geneva.
Not hundreds of thousands?


Well I don't really think France has to fear Switzerland as a threat.

And with Hollande it is on its way to regain its old role as puissance moyenne à vocation mondiale, after Germany miserably failed in EU leadership and tried to trick Brussels out in everything. A French would never do this. So there is hope again for CH's old protector and Europe's oldest modern democracy.
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Instead of Hollande there could be DSK, methinks, rotten-to-the-core à la Berlusconi.

I remember comments of some Geneva town council on some Swiss radio about half a year ago talking about some cross border initiatives.
They said more or less that these talks were difficult because France was such a centralist country (not much power for the local authorities) and that everything was suspended due to presidential election which they said was like electing a king.

Too much power into too few people.

Sarkozy seems to mishandle the security issue in the "troubled banlieus" - there was a coverage in Tages Anzeiger of research done on that. Baaically heavy "policing" by intimidation with openly "white French supremacy" special police forces.

Aha, yet another remark: the Swiss press was attributing the "no talks in France on untaxed money in Switzerland" to the fact that all big candidates are supported by the circles which do keep their money in Switzerland so no one has any incentive to raise this topic :-) Corruptocracy.
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Re: French Presidential Elections started

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Will there be any?
When did you here that?

La droite accuse Hollande de fuir le débat

there will be one debate may 2nd

too bad, because in the words of a twitter user, i wanted Sarkozy to have his three debates...one on Liliane Bettencourt paying for his last campaign, one on the Karachi affair, one on how his apartment was paid for.

No one remembers how they threw the book at Pierre Beregovoy for his apartment, when the man hardly had the money Carla and Nico have to pay for one? But yet President Bling Bling had the money and still went a shady way about it, and then people are all business is business?
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Re: French Presidential Elections started

So, one in five of the French are now 'racist by proxy"? You can't ignore a 20% Le Pen vote by just blaming xenophobic right wingers, there is a strong backlash to immigrants and this is clearly more important to a lot of voters rather than the imminent future of the Euro.
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Re: French Presidential Elections started

Isn't LePen also against the Euro? How does her immigration policy differ from that of Sarkozy?
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Old 24.04.2012, 23:37
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Re: French Presidential Elections started

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Will there be any?
When did you here that?
La droite accuse Hollande de fuir le débat
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There apparently will be at least ONE. Mr Sarkozy presses for more. Mr Hollande, a rather boring person, of course tries to avoid such meetings


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Not hundreds of thousands?
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Blick wrote about thousands, Tages Anzeiger about hundreds. On the Swiss side, the hope is that they do not just deposit money in bank accounts, but invest their money either in the economy or in real estate overhere.

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Well I don't really think France has to fear Switzerland as a threat.
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If there is a "threat" it is not Switzerland, but French businessmen shifting companies or/and investments accross the border

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And with Hollande it is on its way to regain its old role as puissance moyenne à vocation mondiale, after Germany miserably failed in EU leadership and tried to trick Brussels out in everything. A French would never do this. So there is hope again for CH's old protector and Europe's oldest modern democracy.
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Merkl and Sarkozy dominated the EU for many years now, and Sarkozy has kept and even strengthened the role of France as Medium Power (Mediterranean Partnership / change-over in Libya / a growing role of the French economy in the Arab World). In case, Mr Hollande becomes Président-de-la-République, he will have to show his capabilities.

And If he becomes president, it is expected that the "Gaullist" party after the leave of Mr Sarkozy may crumble, giving Marine LePen a good chance to build up a new right-of-centre party, profiting by her charismatic personality from the boredom spread by Mr Hollande

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So, one in five of the French are now 'racist by proxy"? You can't ignore a 20% Le Pen vote by just blaming xenophobic right wingers, there is a strong backlash to immigrants and this is clearly more important to a lot of voters rather than the imminent future of the Euro.
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Marine LePen was the frist French politician to go to Southern Italy and to speak with Tunisians and Libyans there, apparently in quite a friendly way. Sure, she IS rightwing, but as it looks clearly not racist.

Born in 1968 (rather later than I thought) she actually is the second daughter of the ugly old man. His first daughter was adopted by the Colonel in the Algiers of the late 1950ies, then left father and his party and married a chap who had, also in Algiers, been adopted by a French speaking Swiss and at that time was a test pilot of the Aeronavale in the French Southeast. They after a few years divorced and she then fought against the forests burning South-French construction Mafia, and finally got assassinated in Marseille

I do not like the political positions of Marine LePen, but feel attracted by her charm and her charisma
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Re: French Presidential Elections started

Why is it "scary" that Marin Le Pen is getting more and more popular? For me, it's SCARY if Sarclozy gets second term.
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Why is it "scary" that Marin Le Pen is getting more and more popular? For me, it's SCARY if Sarclozy gets second term.
In that case it very well may become scary as Nicolas Sarkozy still has a decent chance to win, even if all the bets are in favour of Mr Hollande
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Re: French Presidential Elections started

Socialist Francois Hollande is elected as France's new president, early estimates say, in a vote with wide implications for the eurozone.

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Socialist Francois Hollande is elected as France's new president, early estimates say, in a vote with wide implications for the eurozone.

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Now it is definite; Sarkozy concedes defeat.

This will put the cat in the hen house
or the rose thorns in Merkel's knickers
depending on your taste for metaphors
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