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Old 03.05.2012, 16:22
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No, you can believe what you like, but you talk as if they are definitely guilty of harming their child. There is no evidence, that is why their 'arguido' status was dropped.
these is also no evidence, despite huge rewards and worldwide media coverage, that she was abducted.
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Old 03.05.2012, 16:29
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Where's the link to the online book?
www.ukoverload.com/holding/download/Maddie.pdf

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Old 03.05.2012, 16:31
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There is no concrete evidence that the mother and father did anything to harm their child, but they are guilty of neglect, they left a small child alone un-attended, they should serve some jail time for that fact alone.
I totally agree - not about the jail, though, since the greatest punishment for their stupidity is what they are going through.

I have seen many parents of small children preferring to spare themselves the cost of a babysitter but not being prepared to give up having fun.
most are lucky and nothing happens, but what if something does happen... wouldn't you have rather spent the 60 euros to go and get drunk in peace with your friends?
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Being myself a victim of abduction as a child, I still thank the sky that I was found and not sold.

Now as a mother, I pray everyday that won't happen to my kids.
There unfortunately is no 'hug' button, just the statement above makes Nil deserve thousands of hugs!

Nil, I do hope they got the people who did that to do you and that they got what they really deserved...

I am not a religious person at all but praying for these kind of things is almost something that I would consider useful.
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Old 03.05.2012, 16:58
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There is no concrete evidence that the mother and father did anything to harm their child, but they are guilty of neglect, they left a small child alone un-attended, they should serve some jail time for that fact alone.
What would that achieve though?
Their other two children taken from a loving family into care, that would be three children suffering because of one bad mistake.
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Old 03.05.2012, 17:02
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What would that achieve though?
Their other two children taken from a loving family into care, that would be three children suffering because of one bad mistake.

you could argue that the other 2 children are going to suffer for the rest of there lives, people will know who they are and they will carry the stigma around with them.
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Old 03.05.2012, 17:14
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Surely though, they are better off with their parents, who have learned a huge lesson in the worst way possible. Those two children will be cared for where they are now better than they could be with anyone else, and hopefully, one day soon, as a family of five.
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my personal hunch is that this case is much like the Benet-Ramsey case in the States or the Van der Sloot case in Aruba - the authorities likely have an understanding as to what happened, but lack the necessary evidence to proceed formally. none of which changes that fact that parents should always be doing more to protect their young children.

Yeah, I was about to say the similarities with the Ramsey case are a bit more than eery, but you beat me to it.

It is also a case of RDI vs. IDI, ramsey did it vs. intruder did it; but they just weren't sure which Ramsey and how they helped each other with the cover-up. Same situation here, which one or both, and the cover-up...
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Old 04.05.2012, 08:01
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There unfortunately is no 'hug' button, just the statement above makes Nil deserve thousands of hugs!

Nil, I do hope they got the people who did that to do you and that they got what they really deserved...

I am not a religious person at all but praying for these kind of things is almost something that I would consider useful.
They didn't, not that day and who knows...

Those people are from an organization with a lot of others walking around in Disney world looking for the second of unattention of the parents to snatch the child.

So even if the get one person, there is going to have an other one to do his job.

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Old 04.05.2012, 08:41
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Re: Missing children

To be honest, if ever I see a little girl here in Switzerland which looks like Madeleine (though I doubt that), I might hesitate calling the police about it... A couple of years back I may react differently.
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Old 04.05.2012, 09:27
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Re: Missing children

I, like and many others, also felt powerless when confronted with the reality of a child gone missing.
Madeleine MacCann's case was not solved yet, none of us really knows for sure if it was abduction, maybe we will never know what happened but a lesson was learned by many: not to let your child unattended and this applies for any situation, anywhere.


I wanted to remember this particular boy,


Rui Pedro Teixeira Proença and sincerely hope that the people involved in his disappearance could come out and let the parents know what really happened, I believe I´ve never had seen suffering in someone's face as in his mother's: Filomena Teixeira, a lady who has been fighting since 1998 to find her missing boy without much support or help. I wished only good news for these parents, wished their suffering could end.

We all need to be alert, always and hope one day these families find peace.
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...the policeman has a lot less to gain then the mcanns have to lose...The english press made out the policeman was some sort of idiot...
It could be an attempt to regain his reputation if he did botch the investigation.

If they both did it, it would mean that they had deliberately kept up a pretence and invited scrutiny by family, friends and the public for years. If one of them had done it, he/she would have had to fool the other one and the rest of the family/friends, while keeping up the pretence and inviting scrutiny from family/friends/the public for years. That makes no sense if they have something to hide.

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these is also no evidence, despite huge rewards and worldwide media coverage, that she was abducted.
No evidence because no evidence was left by those responsible or because no evidence was found by the police?
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Re: Missing children

Panorama: Madeleine - The Last Hope?

12:00 After suspect Robert Murat had been questioned for 19 hours and released, Amaral told him the next day that he'd get a confession out of him. Murat: "It seemed he didn't care about the truth".
17:00 Amaral said to have made at least £ 300,000 so far from the book and a documentary. Amaral: "When I left the police force, it was to write the book to clear my name - defend myself against what the British journalists and some Portuguese journalists were saying".

Another thing that makes the McCanns' guilt unlikely: they want the case reopened. As suspects in the first investigation, it would make no sense to ask to be investigated again if they were actually guilty.
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Old 08.05.2012, 13:50
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Oh come off it!! he gave the book away for free after the mcanns got an injunction over it, so how did he make money.

Look, you have your opinion and its not going to change no matter what, if you want the other side of the story read the book, the policeman has a lot less to gain then the mcanns have to lose, really, the books an eye opener, I've heard and read the parents side of the story, and I've heard and read the police side of the story, and the police side make a whole lot more sense then the parents

The english press made out the policeman was some sort of idiot, which helped the mcanns no end - funny they hired a press officer eh?, he wasn't allowed to say anything at the time (by law) so the only way to get his side of the story was to write a book when he left the police force, which the mcanns promptly (and at great cost to the search for maddie fund) got banned - a ban that was overturned.

so please, read the book with an open mind, then comment
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Panorama: Madeleine - The Last Hope?

12:00 After suspect Robert Murat had been questioned for 19 hours and released, Amaral told him the next day that he'd get a confession out of him. Murat: "It seemed he didn't care about the truth".
17:00 Amaral said to have made at least £ 300,000 so far from the book and a documentary. Amaral: "When I left the police force, it was to write the book to clear my name - defend myself against what the British journalists and some Portuguese journalists were saying".

Another thing that makes the McCanns' guilt unlikely: they want the case reopened. As suspects in the first investigation, it would make no sense to ask to be investigated again if they were actually guilty.
If the McCanns were guilty they would have kept out of the public eye until it all went away. I just hope that the Portuguese police eventually agree to re-open the case to give Madeleine a chance of being found.
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Old 08.05.2012, 15:55
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Am I a sick and twisted individual because I cracked a smile at this?

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Am I a sick and twisted individual because I cracked a smile at this?

not because of this, but it's on the list.

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Old 08.05.2012, 16:20
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Re: Missing children

jesus there are some paranoid people here

I've heard it all now, groups of people walking round disney to snatch kids, really?????? in that case it would be daily occurrence no?

insert random pic of tin foil hat here >
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Despite media hysteria, the most dangerous situation for children to get beaten, sexually abused, tortured and killed is still "living at home" and not "getting snatched by strangers".
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Am I a sick and twisted individual because I cracked a smile at this?

I can't comment , but it isn't the best way to advertise a holiday in Portugal.
I think the sick twisted ones here are the holiday company.
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Surely there must be enough taped interviews of the McCanns to detect
micro-expressions
on whether they are lying about Madeleine's disappearance.
Micro expressions can only show you what emotion is being felt not why it is being felt. For example. Mr McCann always is photographed with an AU10 which is the sign of disgust. This is very prominent in most of his photographs and gives the appearance of his top lip being lifted up.

We can make that as an absolute objective measure that disgust is being felt, yet we cannot attribute any reason why. Yes, he may be disgusted by the press intrusion, he may be disgusted by his own behaviour, we can only speculate on it.

As a member of a group that has Lie Detecting Experts and homeland security, we have discussed this case and many of them think the parents are innocent. Guilty of neglect but not of murder.

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