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Old 09.05.2012, 18:14
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Re: Missing children

so answer the question, where you taken anywhere was anyone caught or charged. you keep saying it happened all the time, whereas the is no proof anywhere that its ever happened. so please put up or shut up.

you know i was nearly killed in the channel tunnel fire, i'd used it the week before, how close was that?? my mates friends cusions dog says there are fires in the tunnel daily.

so no i dont believe you where abducted at disney, and dont believe maddie was taken

show me any proof at all of you childish rediculous urban myths and i`ll gladly eat humble pie
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Re: Missing children

seriously you can all groan bad rep and insult me all you want, keeping on posting the same shit urban myths wont make them true. if you want to post somewhere that will accept your paranod delusions as fact there are numerous conspiracy theory sites out there. but dont use your own name else `they` will come for you.
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Re: Missing children

There are alot of cases which leave me saddened when a child gies missing. Having three myself i am very aware of the dangers and responsibilties i hold to make sure they are looked after to my best ability.
For the Mcann case i have to admit i also have no sympathy. I dont know what parents lock their child in a hotel room so they can continue their holiday expereince not their reponsibilties.
I have mnown other people who have done this and have told them what i think of this practise and its also been imposed on me when my inlaws wanted to go out for dinner minus my children And asked me to leave them unattended.
There is no excuses for bad parentling, everyone makes mistakes but i dont think leaving your children unattended is a mistake. Its a decission that is made knowing the risks.
If in uk and a single chavy mum left their children asleep so they could go and meet friends and got caught their child would be considered in a unsafe, neglective environment and potencially put forward for care.
I think as well as providing the help to find madeline, which has given the mcanns this new found celebrity status lifestyle, they should make more of an effort to promote the fact that this sort of parenting is unacceptable and that if caught you could face prosecution.
Sorry if seeming harsh, as said im sorry to hear about geniune diaspearences and i truly hope madeline is ok but her parents are foul beings.
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Old 09.05.2012, 19:43
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If it really happens and child gets missing you go through hell, even if he turns up again. We were in England on vacation at the beach, just me and my two kids. My son, then four, needed to go to the bathroom. It was just around the corner, so I let him go. After some time I thought he should have returned by now. So I told my daughter, then six, to stay at the beach with our belongings and not to talk to anyone and wait for my return. I went to the bathroom and it was locked. There was a big sign it was out of order. I saw a cleaning lady there and asked her if there was a little blond boy in there. She went looking, but no. So I went to the next bathroom which was a bit further and asked a gent just coming out to please go back inside and look for a little boy. He was not there. Ok, now what do I do? A four-year-old, alone somewhere, probably not even knowing the name of our hotel. Or somebody had taken him. I looked for police, but couldn't find one. So I went back to the beach, because my daughter was still there, alone. And there he was! It turned out he went to the other toilet because the one was closed and was probably already on his way back when I started looking for him. I have never ever been so relieved in my whole life! And it is impossible to describe what went through my mind while I was looking for him.
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Old 09.05.2012, 20:14
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I have never ever been so relieved in my whole life! And it is impossible to describe what went through my mind while I was looking for him.
I can fully relate to that feeling have "lost" children.

When taking the ferry from Rotterdam to Hull, we stopped off at a play park. As we were paying to get in, we lost our oldest son (of three and about 4 yrs old at the time). We went frantic running back to the end of the path leading to the park, over the footbridge etc. etc. We were about to ask the people to call the police, when someone in one of the restaurants reported a missing child.

It turned out that while I was paying and my wife was with (what she thought was) the three children, he'd been drawn by the shop (which was integrated into the entrance) and big familly group had come past and basically "dragged" him through (not forcibly, but he'd just followed the crowd) and he turned up at the first restaurant inside the park.

We'd discounted this as there were turnstyles just after paying so had thought staff would be checking tickets. Clearly the large familly group had waved a bunch of tickets and they'd all been waved through, including our son.

I do, however, draw a distinction between a situational "loss" as you described and what happened to us, vs. going on holiday leaving your children in a hotel alone and have a dinner.

Both are, ultimately negligent, but the latter much more than former IMO.

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Old 09.05.2012, 20:34
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Re: Missing children

I think as a parent, I still feel sympathy for the McCanns. Whatever happened to that little girl, they lost a daughter and that is one of the worst things you can imagine as a parent.

They were obviously stupid to leave her alone - and the twins who were even younger. And nobody even had a baby monitor. But were they malicious? I don't like to think so. I think they were careless and believed they were in a safe place. I know I'm guilty of imagining Switzerland to be a safe place for children too and you see really a lot of very young kids wandering all over the place without their parents here. Part of me likes it that way, the other part of me says it's inevitable that some child will eventually be snatched and murdered or something will happen and I don't want it to be my child that's the first.

None of us know for sure what happened to the McCann girl though, we can only speculate. I find it hard to believe she really disappeared seemingly without trace.

But I do remember her, and I have to say if anything her story makes me watch out for my children more - so if it's still in the press and people are still thinking about a little kid that went missing from a "safe" place then maybe it makes other parents think twice too - which is a good thing.

She was/is the same age as my older son - almost exactly (their birthdays are quite close) and I remember when she disappeared looking at him and imagining.... well, imagining a parents worst nightmare. It's almost unbearable to think such a thing.

Now that my son is nearly 8 and walks to and from school alone, there are regularly times when he's late home from school. That time between when he should get home and when he actually does walk in the door, well, it's not a nice feeling for a parent. It's hard to not worry about them. There's always a tiny voice in the back of your head that says "could have been run over" "could have been snatched" "could have run away from home" and it gives you an ice cold chill because you know those things do happen in real life.
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Old 10.05.2012, 12:53
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Re: Missing children

While I obviously feel sorry for the McCanns and the anguish and worry over their missing daughter, it's the hundreds of parents in the UK and other countries who don't have a team 28+ police detectives and support staff reviewing their cases I feel more sympathy for. It must break their hearts all over again.
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Old 10.05.2012, 13:15
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funny when I was at disney we where told about a massive robbery there and underground tunnels etc etc think thats a load of old bollocks too.

Lots of people told me they knew the couple who's autistic son stole a penguin from chessington zoo - I don't believe them either.

I don't know your story, abducted eh? they where not successful obviously? maybe you should go to the press and let everyone know that its not an urban myth.
There ARE underground tunnels in Disney World (FL, USA). I toured them when I was at UF - they are used for changing shifts (you can't have multiple Mikeys walking around), garbage collection, supply movement etc. They could theoretically be used for any other movement of people or goods, I suppose. I don't know about the security, though...
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They were obviously stupid to leave her alone - and the twins who were even younger. And nobody even had a baby monitor. But were they malicious? I don't like to think so. I think they were careless and believed they were in a safe place.
Idea of safety probably enhanced by the fact that they were on holiday (relaxed/let their guard down) and with a group of friends (safety in numbers/follow the crowd/group pressure). The other couples had left their children too (Tapas Nine).

Anyone at that holiday complex who had seen the McCanns with their children would have known immediately where the children were when they saw the parents having dinner without them. So someone holidaying there or working there would have known that when the parents were at the table, the children were unattended.
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Old 10.05.2012, 15:07
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Idea of safety probably enhanced by the fact that they were on holiday (relaxed/let their guard down) and with a group of friends (safety in numbers/follow the crowd/group pressure). The other couples had left their children too (Tapas Nine).

Anyone at that holiday complex who had seen the McCanns with their children would have known immediately where the children were when they saw the parents having dinner without them. So someone holidaying there or working there would have known that when the parents were at the table, the children were unattended.
the resort had a babysitting service so it doesn't follow that others would have known, they chose not to use it for whatever reason??? We've also gone on holiday with the inlaws and they have babysat while we have gone out
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I was in an upscale bakery/coffee shop a few weeks ago while taking a break between home tours and my daughter was refusing to eat her PB sandwich. I did what I always do in such power struggles; I ignored her. So, kidlet goes off to sit quietly behind one of the comfy chairs about 10 feet away while I kept looking through the home listings and texting my agent. While I was doing this, some random person comes up to me and asks me if the child behind the chair is mine and why I wasn't concerned that she might be snatched. It took me a moment to recover from the WTF that crossed my mind, and I told her that, no, I wasn't concerned as she was the kind of kid an abductor would return quickly with a note attached saying, "I'm so sorry". She gave me a really bizarre look and tromped off.
Thanks for the anecdote, made me laugh!
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the resort had a babysitting service so it doesn't follow that others would have known, they chose not to use it for whatever reason???
Someone who'd been taking an interest in the family's movements could have known, especially if they noticed where the adults were going when they left the table.
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Old 10.05.2012, 16:34
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Someone who'd been taking an interest in the family's movements could have known, especially if they noticed where the adults were going when they left the table.

yes, that was the reason, of course any normal person would prefer there 2 babies and toddler to be totally alone rather then have a babysitter you didn't know look after them, after all, whats the worst that can happen.

Or maybe, if your trying to hide something the last thing you need is a stranger poking around the place.

This woman is a highly qualified GP, makes you think doesn't it???
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Old 10.05.2012, 16:39
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I believe in my kids' Schutzengel. She does a magnificent job helping me out.
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Or maybe, if your trying to hide something the last thing you need is a stranger poking around the place.

This woman is a highly qualified GP, makes you think doesn't it???
Stands to reason that Amaral would rely on conjecture/speculation when he messed up.
Their medical friends left their kids alone too. Makes you think they all decided to do the same thing, i.e. not use the babysitting service.
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Stands to reason that Amaral would rely on conjecture/speculation when he messed up.
Their medical friends left their kids alone too. Makes you think they all decided to do the same thing, i.e. not use the babysitting service.

ah so that's ok then, as long as they where all idiots
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ah so that's ok then, as long as they where all idiots
Doesn't make it okay, but it does make it less suspicious. ie, they were not the only ones abandoning their children to go out for dinner ...
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yes, that was the reason, of course any normal person would prefer there 2 babies and toddler to be totally alone rather then have a babysitter you didn't know look after them, after all, whats the worst that can happen.

Or maybe, if your trying to hide something the last thing you need is a stranger poking around the place.

This woman is a highly qualified GP, makes you think doesn't it???
And he a Consultant cardiologist- so hardly short of a penny or two to pay for a babysitter- so why on earth didn't they I'll never understand.
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Amaral: "F*** the McCanns"

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"This is where part of Kate McCann's behavior on that night becomes incomprehensible. Instead of stopping right here, and shouting out to the people who were at the restaurant where her husband was, what she does is climb down these stairs, and walk a distance that is certainly twice as much as the distance from here to the restaurant, which is located approximately 50 meters from here as the crow flies [ i.e. across the swimming pool]. When she arrived there, she cried out "We let her down", which is a medical term that is often used in medicine [He has got to be kidding], "she's gone"."
What a joker. And people believe this crap.
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I've found this 'discussion' to be quite depressing.

I can't understand the abuse heaped on the McCann family. It will be obvious to most people who have followed the case that their child was abducted. I don't want to be personal but I struggle to understand how people can happily be so savage to a family who have suffered so much.

Think logically. For this to be some sort of conspiracy in which the parents killed their daughter, or tried to conceal the circumstances of an accident, the McCann's friends would have to have been in on it, in a story concocted at short notice around a dinner table. So they have found their child dead, and their first actions are to get the group to agree on a bogus story while the father carries the body off to dispose of it somehow? Come on. It's shameful that we can think like this.

The very idea that not one of these people, most of whom are healthcare professionals, would not have leaked, over a period of 5 years, a shred of the 'true story' to someone, is not believable.

The policeman who wrote this book was thrown off the case after being publicly humiliated for his incompetent investigation. No wonder he felt motivated to dish the dirt. And despite what he might be claiming, he has indeed apparently earned a sizeable sum from newspaper serialisations and media appearances.

As for the criticism aimed at the whole group for leaving their kids unattended (not just the McCanns), they've frequently explained that they felt safe in this enclosed resort, and that other families were doing the same thing. Again, I don't understand how people can say things like them preferring to "get drunk in peace with their friends" than arrange proper childcare, and saying that they should be sent to prison. The kids were not far away, and the adults made regular checks on them. I'm afraid we can all be a bit sanctimonious in these situations when we know deep down that it's a case of 'there but for the grace of god go I". I know I've done things that in retrospect I've felt lucky to have got away with.

We are all part of a shared humanity and in the absence of any evidence to the contrary I believe the McCanns, and Madeleine, deserve our love and sympathy and support, and not abuse.

There's a lot more I could say about this but I'll leave it there.
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