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Old 14.05.2012, 14:49
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The local police were slow to react, Portuguese border controls were not alerted until late on Friday morning
What border controls?

Portugal is part of Schengen, so there are none!

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Old 14.05.2012, 14:54
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When did they say that?

someone posted it up a few pages ago, can't find it now

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-intruder.html

WHY THEY HAD NO BABYSITTER


Leaving Madeleine with a babysitter who none of them knew would have been 'unwise', Kate McCann declares in her book.
Explaining why they did not make use of the babysitting service offered by the Ocean Club, she said the couple never even thought about it.
She said: 'I could argue that leaving my children alone with someone neither we nor they knew would have been unwise, and it's certainly not something we'd do at home, but we didn't even consider it.
'We felt so secure we simply didn't think it was necessary.' With the infamous tapas restaurant 'so near', the McCanns and their friends decided to do their own child-checking service, said Mrs McCann, adding: 'It goes without saying that we now bitterly regret it.'

However British police later told the couple their holiday apartment, being a corner flat on the ground floor, next to two roads and with secluded entrances, made it a perfect target for criminals.


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Old 14.05.2012, 15:10
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What I don't understand is how the McCanns thought the Portuguese were not trustworthy to babysit their children, yet they were not afraid to leave their kids unattended in an unlocked hotel room in a country made up by the said dubious individuals..
Whatever people may say, it is their story which is very dubious..
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I think you will find that the nannies were not Portuguese. I don't think the reason for not using them was their nationality.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id53.html
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Old 14.05.2012, 15:12
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I think you will find that the nannies were not Portuguese. I don't think the reason for not using them was their nationality.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id53.html
Thanks. I remember reading something about them not trusting the local nannies. It was a while ago. Anyway, we all agree that it was a stupid thing to do.
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someone posted it up a few pages ago, can't find it now

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-intruder.html

WHY THEY HAD NO BABYSITTER


Leaving Madeleine with a babysitter who none of them knew would have been 'unwise', Kate McCann declares in her book.
Explaining why they did not make use of the babysitting service offered by the Ocean Club, she said the couple never even thought about it.
She said: 'I could argue that leaving my children alone with someone neither we nor they knew would have been unwise, and it's certainly not something we'd do at home, but we didn't even consider it.
'We felt so secure we simply didn't think it was necessary.' With the infamous tapas restaurant 'so near', the McCanns and their friends decided to do their own child-checking service, said Mrs McCann, adding: 'It goes without saying that we now bitterly regret it.'

However British police later told the couple their holiday apartment, being a corner flat on the ground floor, next to two roads and with secluded entrances, made it a perfect target for criminals.



FFS! And these were professionals who should have known better!
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Old 14.05.2012, 15:50
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Re: Missing children

Im no expert on this case whatsoever.... but I will say that I have always found the parents story to be fishy on some level... something doesn't add up to me.
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FFS! And these were professionals who should have known better!
Yes, and I think that is one fact we all agree on.
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Is the policeman bitter, you bet your arse, he was trying to do his job, find maddie, and the parents hire a press officer to ridicule him, his bosses put huge pressure on him, the people who should be helping him most (the parents) refuse to cooperate etc and the world press dig all the dirt on him and make his look like an idiot
Hardly seems worth the trouble, since his own documentary doesn't exactly make him look professional, let alone his "F*** the McCanns" statement.
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Old 14.05.2012, 16:14
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Hardly seems worth the trouble, since his own documentary doesn't exactly make him look professional, let alone his "F*** the McCanns" statement.
Right. Except they did all that before those things you mention. Like I said, if someone treated me like that I'd tell them to F'off too. BUT that's not the point. He is not the ONLY one to think there is something wrong with the McCann version of events. So let's not focus all our attention on one guy.
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Old 14.05.2012, 16:20
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As for the criticism aimed at the whole group for leaving their kids unattended (not just the McCanns), they've frequently explained that they felt safe in this enclosed resort, and that other families were doing the same thing. Again, I don't understand how people can say things like them preferring to "get drunk in peace with their friends" than arrange proper childcare, and saying that they should be sent to prison. The kids were not far away, and the adults made regular checks on them. I'm afraid we can all be a bit sanctimonious in these situations when we know deep down that it's a case of 'there but for the grace of god go I". I know I've done things that in retrospect I've felt lucky to have got away with.
It's hard to have sympathy for such clear and unmitigated negligence. I got a browbeating in a cafe for my unattended child only 10 feet away, and I remember a story where a guy had to take his younger child to a specialist and so left the 12yo at home (who drew police attention as she was trying to make dinner and set off the smoke alarms) and earned the man some jail time. For. A. 12yo.

Kids are 'safe' in a locked parked car, too, by their definition....sadly this is how many kids die from heat exhaustion every year.

Seriously, I feel their pain at being on holiday and wanting to go out and not trusting strangers, but you either have to trust the stranger or change your plans. You simply don't leave babies alone in an unlocked holiday rental. Why they aren't serving time or haven't had their other children removed from their care is a bit of a surprise.

I'm totally unfamiliar with the case, but statistics along with the rather suspicious nature of leaving kids alone like that suggest that somehow there is a lot of truth yet to surface. It'd be a real 'act of god' if someone randomly took only one child and theirs. With odds like that, I'd play the lottery more often.
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He is not the ONLY one to think there is something wrong with the McCann version of events. So let's not focus all our attention on one guy.
One guy who happens to have coordinated the investigation. Since the police leaked information to the press (e.g. Kate McCann's diary) and since he has published a book and documentary on the case, it stands to reason that he has helped to influence opinion.

He has a blog with links to his book and documentary.
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Re: Missing children

For a couple that its child was abducted (by pedophile, raper etc) they seem to enjoy their 5 minutes media attention quite a lot, do they? In the book of the lead investigator, there is a section where he explains why he is certain that Maddy died that holiday apartment. They brought 2 dogs that can scent the cadaver smell and blond after the premises have been cleaned even with bleach. Blond was found near the sofa. The cadaver smell was present in the apartment, parents wardrobe, moms clothes and kids toy. Also, cadaver smell was found in the boot of a car that the parents rented 25 days AFTER Maddy's disappearance. There was also found a piece of hair in the boot of the same car and was sent to the UK for testing. The UK police never reviled whose piece of hair it was. Isn't this strange?
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Old 14.05.2012, 16:42
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One guy who happens to have coordinated the investigation. Since the police leaked information to the press (e.g. Kate McCann's diary) and since he has published a book and documentary on the case, it stands to reason that he has helped to influence opinion.

He has a blog with links to his book and documentary.

and how much stuff did the mccanns and there press officer leak?? the mccans also have blogs, websites, books, documentaries etc etc etc

the police where being made to look like a bunch of keystone cops by a very slick media campaign (some might say it was designed to deflect attention away from someone else) its really no surprise they started leaking stuff.

If the mccanns devoted as much of there time and effort looking after there children as they do trying to squash anyone who doesn't accept there version of events they would be up for parents of the year

If my son was missing I wouldn't be jetting off to see the pope, or do chat shows, or be back at work, or doing book tours, or washing his clothes and fluffy toys just before the police come for them, I'd be out the following every lead possible no matter how bizzare
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For a couple that its child was abducted (by pedophile, raper etc) they seem to enjoy their 5 minutes media attention quite a lot, do they? In the book of the lead investigator, there is a section where he explains why he is certain that Maddy died that holiday apartment. They brought 2 dogs that can scent the cadaver smell and blond after the premises have been cleaned even with bleach. Blond was found near the sofa. The cadaver smell was present in the apartment, parents wardrobe, moms clothes and kids toy. Also, cadaver smell was found in the boot of a car that the parents rented 25 days AFTER Maddy's disappearance. There was also found a piece of hair in the boot of the same car and was sent to the UK for testing. The UK police never reviled whose piece of hair it was. Isn't this strange?
It is difficult to accept that two educated upper-middle class British people, whose profession - doctors, is something people have a lot of trust in, could lie. Even here on EF there are people who would cut a finger of their own for the Mc Canns..
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Old 14.05.2012, 16:53
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One guy who happens to have coordinated the investigation. Since the police leaked information to the press (e.g. Kate McCann's diary) and since he has published a book and documentary on the case, it stands to reason that he has helped to influence opinion.

He has a blog with links to his book and documentary.

can you also get off your whole one guy thing! he had a whole team of police working with him, along with BRITISH police, and BRITISH forensics, they arguably had the best resources in the world available to them.

The UK government at the time, and UK police had all the same facts as he did, and its rather telling that the police and government where not willing to push this, everyone just wanted it, and them (the mccanns) to STFU and go home.

Its understandable why the portuguese would want them to go away, it was killing the tourist trade, but the uk police?? and some nice easy popularity point for the government, gordon brown single handedly takes down an international peado ring - political gold
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Have seen some of Amaral's documentary "The Truth of the Lie" on YouTube. In part 2, he claims that "We let her down" (he says it in English) is an often-used medical expression. Every English speaker knows that's not true. He also has a problem with Kate McCann not taking the direct route to the restaurant to raise the alarm. A map is then shown, with a yellow line showing the route she took, i.e. the path, and a red line showing the direct route, i.e. across the swiming pool. He also has a problem with the sighting by one of the dinner party members of a man carrying a child across his arms, since this is how a "statue" would pose and not how someone would carry a child. Again clearly nonsense.
The guy is just not credible.
I'm watching this documentary now. (It's a slow day. ) And he does not say that anyone should go through the pool! He says that the distance between the apartment and the tapas bar is 50mts away in a direct line (translated as "as the crow flies"). I'm still waiting for the part to come up where he says they carried the child like a statue. (ETA: I've go to that point. The WITNESS said that the "abductor" was carrying the child like a statue. The police didn't say thing).


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One guy who happens to have coordinated the investigation. Since the police leaked information to the press (e.g. Kate McCann's diary) and since he has published a book and documentary on the case, it stands to reason that he has helped to influence opinion.

He has a blog with links to his book and documentary.
You mean more than one person can't have the same opinion? And on that happens to disagree with the McCann PR machine?
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Old 14.05.2012, 16:57
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It is difficult to accept that two educated upper-middle class British people, whose profession - doctors, is something people have a lot of trust in, could lie.
Im sorry, no offence but what utter tosh....!!

Can you really be so naive as to suggest that people who are educated upper middle class professionals do not lie? Is it only the unschooled guttersnipes who lack such decorum?
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Im sorry, no offence but what utter tosh....!!

Can you really be so naive as to suggest that people who are educated upper middle class professionals do not lie? Is it only the unschooled guttersnipes who lack such decorum?

I think there was much sarcasm in that post
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It is difficult to accept that two educated upper-middle class British people, whose profession - doctors, is something people have a lot of trust in, could lie. Even here on EF there are people who would cut a finger of their own for the Mc Canns..
I would say the contrary, people in the upper middle class with good education, doctors, lawyers etc have this constant feeling that they are better than anybody else and can outsmart them in any way. Haven't you seen parking signs at houses - "Don't park here, I'm a doctor!"?
I believe in evidence and in this case it shows that the little girl died that night. How did she die and how her body was disposed know only the parents.
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I think there was much sarcasm in that post
I hope so anyhow. Guess my ironicism detector must be on the blink again.
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