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It's hard to have sympathy for such clear and unmitigated negligence. I got a browbeating in a cafe for my unattended child only 10 feet away, and I remember a story where a guy had to take his younger child to a specialist and so left the 12yo at home (who drew police attention as she was trying to make dinner and set off the smoke alarms) and earned the man some jail time. For. A. 12yo.
Wow. Actually slightly OT, but at what age can you leave children on their own at home? With no facts, I thought in the UK it was 12 and around that age I would be left on my own (mother was out working doing one of her numerous jobs, she was not out 'jollying it up').

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Seriously, I feel their pain at being on holiday and wanting to go out and not trusting strangers, but you either have to trust the stranger or change your plans. You simply don't leave babies alone in an unlocked holiday rental. Why they aren't serving time or haven't had their other children removed from their care is a bit of a surprise.
I agree with this globally, but for the "I feel their pain at being on holiday and wanting to go out and not trusting strangers" - I feel no pain/sympathy, just anger. I mean it's not as though they lacked the means. And with kids come responsabilities...

[ trying to think back of times when my mother was 'irresponsible' or where I have been with my own offspring, because I recognise I'm far from perfect ].

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They brought 2 dogs that can scent the cadaver smell and blond after the premises have been cleaned even with bleach. Blond was found near the sofa. The cadaver smell was present in the apartment, parents wardrobe, moms clothes and kids toy. Also, cadaver smell was found in the boot of a car that the parents rented 25 days AFTER Maddy's disappearance.
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Some forensic scientists have begun to question some of the evidence against the couple – supposedly samples of Madeline’s blood found in the boot of the car they hired 25 days after the disappearance, and the “death smell” allegedly found on Mrs McCann’s belongings by a police sniffer dog....

John Barrett, a former Scotland Yard dog handler, also indicated that the trained dogs used in an attempt to detect a “death smell” on Mrs McCann’s Bible and clothes were brought in too long after Madeleine vanished.
The crucial scent lasts for no longer than a month, he said.
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Can you trust a cadaver dog if there's no cadaver?
Not really—especially if a lot of time has elapsed since the body was removed from the scene. Cadaver dogs can find the remains of people who have been dead for years or even decades. But it's much harder for the dogs if the bulk of the remains are gone. In that case, they can pick up the scent from small amounts of body tissue, like a blood stain or nail clippings, or even from materials that came into contact with the tissue. But in the absence of an actual body, the smell of death will dissipate. ...
When a dog gives a signal, such as barking or sitting down, to indicate that it has smelled a corpse, a handler can only say something along the lines of, "My dog is giving an indication consistent with human blood." He can't say definitively that, yes, a body was present, without further confirmation—in the form of a blood stain, for example.
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Why would they kill their daughter but not the twins? Or even, why would they hide an accident? Do you believe they would be able to play this act for such a long time? In front of friends? Family? Police? Public?
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Why would thy kill their daughter but not the twins? Or even, why would they hide an accident? Do you believe wipe would be able to play this act for such a long time? In front of friends? Family? Police? Public?
Who said anything about killing, probably was an accident, OD or falling from the couch. I guess they were scared to loose their medical licenses and their children taken away by social services because leaving 3 kids under the age of 4 unattended while you are on the booze 150 meters away is negligence.
They seem not to have any problem to enjoy their fame and seemed to be more like superstar rather than parents who's daughter was abducted by a pedophile. While everybody in the resort was lifting every stone the parents were doing everything but searching.
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Why would they kill their daughter but not the twins? Or even, why would they hide an accident? Do you believe they would be able to play this act for such a long time? In front of friends? Family? Police? Public?
I dont' think they "killed" the daughter. I think she had an accident, either she fell or something. But other people speculate that they gave them medication and maybe the child OD'd.

They want to hide an accident because they don't want to have their other children taken away. This is a serious case of child neglect while everyone's attention is being diverted.

I honestly don't think they "murdered" their child.

Yes. I believe they would let this play for so long because they are so obsessed with their image as perfect people, perfect parents, perfect families.
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Old 14.05.2012, 16:26
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Why would they kill their daughter but not the twins? Or even, why would they hide an accident? Do you believe they would be able to play this act for such a long time? In front of friends? Family? Police? Public?

no one has said they killed her, the 2 main theories are she looked from them, slipped and fell and died in the room

Or

They administered sedatives to the 3 children to make sure they didn't wake up, and over cooked her's, this could be backed up by the twins not waking up when all hell was breaking loose in the appartment


Once you have started a lie like this its impossible to get out of it, who is going to believe it was an accident now? the body will be totally decomposed, so your looking at murder, life in prison, or carry on with the lie and every now and then milk to gullible for some more money

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Who said anything about killing, probably was an accident, OD or falling from the couch. I guess they were scared to loose their medical licenses and their children taken away by social services because leaving 3 kids under the age of 4 unattended while you are on the booze 150 meters away is negligence.
They seem not to have any problem to enjoy their fame and seemed to be more like superstar rather than parents who's daughter was abducted by a pedophile. While everybody in the resort was lifting every stone the parents were doing everything but searching.
I don't know much abou the story, can you prove their behaviors with links?

150 sqm isn't far at all. Our appartment is 130 sqm. Now, i don't know my left neighbor but lets imagine I am in their living room, I guess it will come up to 150 sqm. Would it be negligence from me to be there?
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Why would they kill their daughter but not the twins? Or even, why would they hide an accident? Do you believe they would be able to play this act for such a long time? In front of friends? Family? Police? Public?
One speculation was that, as doctors, they sedated the child for the purpose of making it easier for them to go out for their drinks. If she then overdosed, how is that going to look and play out for them, their careers, and their kids? Of course, thats just one theory.
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It appears that even that is not conclusive:

We'll never know as the parents quickly washed the toy when forensics asked for it, the same toy she said she'd never part with as it had maddies smell on etc I guess persil is more comforting
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I don't know much abou the story, can you prove their behaviors with links?

150 sqm isn't far at all. Our appartment is 130 sqm. Now, i don't know my left neighbor but lets imagine I am in their living room, I guess it will come up to 150 sqm. Would it be negligence from me to be there?

not 150sqm, 150 meters, so imagine your apartment over 10x bigger then walk one end to the other or doing 100m sprint and half again.

the bar was 50m from the appartment as the crow flies (but with a swimming pool in the way)
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I don't know much abou the story, can you prove their behaviors with links?

150 sqm isn't far at all. Our appartment is 130 sqm. Now, i don't know my left neighbor but lets imagine I am in their living room, I guess it will come up to 150 sqm. Would it be negligence from me to be there?
Everything is documented within the police report and the factual book the lead investigator has written. Everything from the facts can be checked.
And no, 150 meters away when you can not see nor hear your children is far away.
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I don't know much abou the story, can you prove their behaviors with links?

150 sqm isn't far at all. Our appartment is 130 sqm. Now, i don't know my left neighbor but lets imagine I am in their living room, I guess it will come up to 150 sqm. Would it be negligence from me to be there?
They were not IN the apartment. They were at a restaurant.
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not 150sqm, 150 meters, so imagine your apartment over 10x bigger then walk one end to the other or doing 100m sprint and half again.

the bar was 50m from the appartment as the crow flies (but with a swimming pool in the way)
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Did cadaver dogs uncover the remains of Baby Lisa?

Cadaver dogs discovered a "hit" -- a possible indication of human remains -- in the Kansas City bedroom belonging to a couple who said their 10-month-year-old girl vanished, but an attorney for the parents of missing "Baby Lisa" warned the public against jumping to conclusions.

The revelation, reported by ABC news, also comes on the heels of the disclosure that two witnesses reported an unusual sight on the same day that the little girl was reported missing: a man walking down the street in the cold nighttime air carrying a baby wearing only a diaper.

The parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, have contended from the start that they had nothing to do with their daughter's Oct. 4 disappearance. They say police have wrongly focused the investigation on them instead of pouring the additional resources into finding the culprit who kidnapped their child. Police, meanwhile, insist they are doing just that.
Mom of missing tot: Cops said "You did it"
Baby Lisa's Mom to Dr. Phil: 'It's Not a Circus. It's My Baby.'
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Not at all similar. But Ok.
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bigblue2 - I too have great mixed feelings about what happened- and instinctively feel something is very wrong with the McCann's behaviour- but I do wonder why you seem so totally adamant and absolutely sure - and in total condemnation. I can't help wondering why you are so totally damning of them?
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a fair question, i guess there sheer arrogance and total lack of responsibilty, they really seem to think they did nothing wrong. its not like they couldn't afford a babysitter they made bad choices to save a very small amount of money. yet when it come to begging people less fortunate then them for money they have no shame at all.
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a fair question, i guess there sheer arrogance and total lack of responsibilty, they really seem to think they did nothing wrong. its not like they couldn't afford a babysitter they made bad choices to save a very small amount of money. yet when it come to begging people less fortunate then them for money they have no shame at all.
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