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Old 03.05.2012, 11:03
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Missing children

It was five years ago today that Madeleine McCann disappeared from a holiday apartment in Portugal.
Thinking of her and all missing children.

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Old 03.05.2012, 11:11
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Re: Missing children

not to start anything ( as if ) but....

does anyone other than her parents think poor Maddy is still alive?

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Old 03.05.2012, 11:21
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not to start anything ( as if ) but....

does anyone other than her parents think poor Maddy is still alive?

Saw an article last week where Scotland Yard are quoted as saying it's "possible", and they released one of those pics created using 'aging' software ...
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Old 03.05.2012, 11:24
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Re: Missing children

I think some information has never made it's way into the public domain, even after 5yrs.

In most missing children cases, if contact isn't made from kidnappers or the child isn't found in a relatively short time, the worst is unfortunately normally assumed.

However, in this case, it seems to have been voiced only intermittently, here and there.

There are people in places where pale skin and blond hair are rare, who will unfortunately pay for this novelty.
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Re: Missing children

Personally i dont think it is impossible for her to still be alive (im trying this whole new optimist thing at the moment, lets just see how it goes ).

Admittedly yes, there are many stories of kids being taken and killed, but there and probably just as many of kids being taken (from slight nutters) who cant have kids or for what ever reason and grown them up as their own.

There was a story recently (sorry cant find a link) and a mid 30's man was looking through the missings persons list (no idea why) and saw over 26 years ago a little boy went missing in the area he used to live in. He compared a picture of him as a child to the picture of the little boy on the list and he was a spitting image. He looked into it further and it turns out he was the little boy that went missing! His current (what he thought was parents) stole him when he was a child, moved away and grew him up as his own!

Yes stories like that are limited but its not as if its never happened before so who is to say that that hasnt happened to Madeline. Even though she is not with her parents wouldnt you much rather that happen to your child than them be killed?

Fingers crossed the worst hasnt happened. No i dont have kids (im only one myself :P) but i cant imagine what they were and still are going through so lets all hope for the best! (or is it worse to give them false hope?!)

Thats probably the most deepest thing i've ever wrote!
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Old 03.05.2012, 11:39
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Re: Missing children

I and many others do absolutely believe there is always hope. Children have been found sometimes years after they were abducted, such as Jaycee Dugard and Natascha Kampusch, though God forbid Madeleine is going through anything like they experienced.
The Metropolitan police believe that they have found new leads among the evidence they have been reviewing and Madeleine's parents have said they "have no doubt" that Portuguese authorities will reopen the investigation into her disappearance.
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Old 03.05.2012, 11:42
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Re: Missing children

sorry then for my pessimism ... and yes there is always hope.
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I am quite skeptical of this lady, seems she mostly had a lot of problems with Stockholm Syndrome to say the least if you hear what is being said in interviews and more importantly all the other details that pop up here and there. Apparently she was more or less living together with the guy for a long time (and not stuck in her cellar which was 'not-inhabited' for a long time already according to the cops) and she even went out a lot with the guy, thus the stories seem to not fit so well.


Nevertheless, either way the story goes it likely was not the way that a child or anybody else should be living and I hope that they get back into normal lives as much as possible asap and the people who did it to them punished appropriately...
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I am quite skeptical of this lady, seems she mostly had a lot of problems with Stockholm Syndrome to say the least if you hear what is being said in interviews and more importantly all the other details that pop up here and there. Apparently she was more or less living together with the guy for a long time (and not stuck in her cellar which was 'not-inhabited' for a long time already according to the cops) and she even went out a lot with the guy, thus the stories seem to not fit so well.


Nevertheless, either way the story goes it likely was not the way that a child or anybody else should be living and I hope that they get back into normal lives as much as possible asap and the people who did it to them punished appropriately...
The fact remains though that she was taken against her will, her kidnapper was an adult, she was a child and so she did as he said. I read about another kidnapping recently where the child (aged 9 I think) was rescued, sorry I don't remember the details, but apparently she had oppurtunities to escape. When she was asked why she didn't run away, she said, 'because the lady told me not to'.
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Old 03.05.2012, 13:17
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The fact remains though that she was taken against her will, her kidnapper was an adult, she was a child and so she did as he said. I read about another kidnapping recently where the child (aged 9 I think) was rescued, sorry I don't remember the details, but apparently she had oppurtunities to escape. When she was asked why she didn't run away, she said, 'because the lady told me not to'.
This is why I mentioned Stockholm Syndrome, it apparently happens often that the one taken hostage starts to feel for the person who kidnapped them.

It is an odd thing for the POV of the people 'outside', but apparently it happens, still it makes various statements that have been made conflict with each other which is the odd part to me.
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not to start anything ( as if ) but....

does anyone other than her parents think poor Maddy is still alive?

My thoughts exactly--chances are slim (as in 99.9999%) to none in my opinion. Yet crazier things have happened. I think if you read the latest press statements by the team reviewing it, it still comes across as possible, as in anything is possible theorotically, yet still utterly unconvincing.

I mean, even if you adhere to the intruder theory, remember this is a resort surrounded by water, so if anything were to go afoul, the easy exit/solution is there. And having had kids, 3-years old, even without an intruder, the dangers and issues being surrounded by water for a 3-year old are definitely stacked against you.

What still boggles the mind is the (lack of) parental judgement. Even in so called safe places, ie. switzerland and the like, you still have to take precautions and be responsible.
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Old 03.05.2012, 11:57
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Re: Missing children

Hubby and I are always amazed at how often we see small children wandering off on their own, or parents walking ahead of their children, it would be so easy for someone to snatch them. I'm not saying all, but some parents in Switzerland seem to assume things like that don't happen here. Even Switzerland isn't 'safe'.
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Re: Missing children

I think they have Amber alerts now in the UK ( a system where by images of recently snatched children will be broadcast over all available media ) but does anyone know if a similar system exists, or is proposed here?
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I think they have Amber alerts now in the UK ( a system where by images of recently snatched children will be broadcast over all available media ) but does anyone know if a similar system exists, or is proposed here?
After a young girl from Appenzell was taken and murdered in 2007, an MMS alarm system was approved.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/Home/Arc...html?cid=67106
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not to start anything ( as if ) but....

does anyone other than her parents think poor Maddy is still alive?

I hope so.
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Re: Missing children

Read the thread because live in Portugal. Hard to know what to think, but there is enough "blame" to go around:
1. Leaving young children alone in an apartment is highly irresponsible, if not criminal.
2. The police certainly messed up. They were not used to dealing with this kind of crime. In addition there was a lot of "macho" pride involved with either admitting initial investigational blunders, and/or allowing other, more experienced detectives to participate.
3. Although Portugal is relatively safe the Algarve does have a lot of crime these days against foreigners. This seems to perpetrated by non-Portuguese who flee over the open, Spanish border (Eastern European gangs especially).
4. Hate to think the parents were involved, especially since they are still actively pursuing opening of the investigation. But....???
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Re: Missing children

I just want to say thinking of April Jones and her family, hoping she is found soon.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-19824594
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I just want to say thinking of April Jones and her family, hoping she is found soon.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-19824594
I am really hoping I am wrong but I have a horrible feeling this is going to end badly.

The guy they have was found with waterproof trousers on and camouflage gear in the countryside not far from a river.

I couldn't watch the mother at the press conference - far too upsetting. What must she be going through.
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