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Please, read your history books and you'll see that Muslims have nothing to do with Israel or even Palestine as they call it.
Falastin is part of the Arab World, as simple as this. Falastin is Muslim, Christian and Jewish. Jesus (Son of God for Christian, a major prophet for the Muslims, a crook for the Jews) was a born Jew and became the founder of Christiandom. Jerusalem in Islam is, together with Mekkah, Medinah and Kairouan, one of the four holy cities of Islam.

Israel (1967-Israel / West-Bank / East-Jerusalem / Gaza-Territory) will have an Arab majority within less than a decade, so what
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Switzerland never had colonies in Africa and protectorates in the Maghreb and "départements" of France in Algeria. But your term "finish like France" sounds as if France had "finished" and no longer was a beautiful country. And France will not disappear just because some people want to pray. What Paris apparently needs is some sizeable mosques with sufficient space for prayers !

Is Islam a religion? Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means "submission". Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracs, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies
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Yes they do
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Is Islam a religion? Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means "submission". Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracs, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies
> Islam is a religion
> it has the same God as Jewism and Christiandom
> it is NOT a political ideology
> it has fairly strict rules for society and life --- even a bit more than Catholic Christiandom had before the reformation
> Islam means peace and being subordinate to God, just as Jewishm and Christiandom
> Strict religion never is compatible with freedom and democracy
> If you want to compare National Socialism with anything, compare it with the Roman Catholic Church. No Kalif ever declared to be "infallible" "free-of-fail" but the Popes do it in the way of the Imperial Chancellor
> if you want to compare the Catholic Church with anything, compare its supreme leadership with the Polit-Bureau of the Communist Party of the USSR
> totalitarian ? ever studied how Galileo Galilei was forced to declare the truth untrue ? Ir was NOT "Forza Italia" of Silvio Berlusconi, it was Papal Catholic rule !
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Your comments Sarah, are truly shameful and racist in the extreme. What happened to so many Jews in WW2 and before is truly shocking and wicked - but does that give Israel the right to dish it back out to others now? You should know what it means to be persecuted for your religion and culture! Shame on you.
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Whom you mean by "you"? People like Sarah, "You Israeli", "You Jews"?

I don't think that weird statements like that of hers (France taken over and/or destroyed? Well, F actually is Europe's leading nation with far higher living standard than most other countries in the world, e.g., GB inclusive) should manage to provoke hatred or general confusion here or lead towards a general nervousness.


Besides that, the Mideast conflict ist not between Israel/Israelis and Palestinians (btw where would you classify Arab Israeli citizens?) but a clash between systems.

It is true that not all Palestinians in Israeli prisons are guaranteed full standard of modern jurisdiction, but it is also true that Palestinians - apart from Israel including Eastern Jerusalem and Golan where Arabs are Israeli citizens with full civil rights - are treated like trash not only by Israeli occupation, but also by "their own" Palestinian local adminstration (better not to know what happens in Palestinian prisons). Not to talk about what they have to suffer in all their surrounding dictatorial neighborhood (little but important exception made maybe for Jordan), which is the real problem. From Saudi Arabia to Lebanon, all you have there is corrupt dictatorial regimes that make abuse of the Palestinians (and the families of the refugees' children, that mostly after 60 years live in a miseral provisional situation). Israel is their minor problem.
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