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It gets worse - now a Turkish news agency is coming up with similar baseless stories.




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Old 21.05.2012, 23:37
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It gets worse - now a Turkish news agency is coming up with similar baseless stories.
Well gives the Turks reasons for keeping their circa 17,000 troops in Cyprus.
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Old 22.05.2012, 10:35
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Well gives the Turks reasons for keeping their circa 17,000 troops in Cyprus.
why cannt they keep troops in their own country..
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Old 22.05.2012, 14:20
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Re: Turkey suspects bird of being Israeli spy

I have first seen this story in Haaretz (israeli newspaper). Being an avid newspaper reader and not having seen this in any Turkish newspaper so far makes me think like this is a fabrication.

Funny is the timing of such a fabrication: two weeks ago Israeli UAV's were detected and were short of being shot down in Turkish airspace, a few months ago an Israeli Heron UAV found ashore in Turkey, and Israeli F-15's being chased out from Hatay and KKTC air space by scrambled Turkish F-16's...

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-2688...icers-say.html

http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/201...n-israeli.html

http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=268478

http://famagusta-gazette.com/turkish...-p15454-69.htm

http://zaman.com.tr/haber.do?haberno...a-bildirilmedi
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Well gives the Turks reasons for keeping their circa 17,000 troops in Cyprus.
its more like 30,000
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Old 22.05.2012, 14:23
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yeah, first fabricate a ridiculous story, then use it ridicule and dilute real stories...nice Hasbara technique
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Old 22.05.2012, 15:06
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Re: Turkey suspects bird of being Israeli spy

The "20000 soldiers" story came from the Anatolya news agency. Ha'aretz quoted it.

The stories about Israeli UAVs in Hatay (syrian territory, btw)/F16 in cyprus also come from Turkish sources without any evidence.

Is Turkey turning into an Arab style country where rumors & conspiracy theories are accepted ? or maybe it was already so before ?
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The "20000 soldiers" story came from the Anatolya news agency. Ha'aretz quoted it.

The stories about Israeli UAVs in Hatay (syrian territory, btw)/F16 in cyprus also come from Turkish sources without any evidence.

Is Turkey turning into an Arab style country where rumors & conspiracy theories are accepted ? or maybe it was already so before ?
this is idiotic: first cite a ridiculous story on a turkish tabloid and discuss it for pages, and then cherry pick real news sources (turkish military general staff website, turkish state news agency Anatolia, highest selling newspaper in turkey, haaretz) to make a mess out of it, and top it off by implying israeli sources are good and turkish ones are crap...

i understand you dont like turks, but show some consistency will you?
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Re: Turkey suspects bird of being Israeli spy

Using birds in wars is not such a radical idea.
Here is a little history of what pigeons can do

http://www.pigeoncenter.org/militarypigeons.html

"....Others used the homing pigeon like aircraft pilots on recon missions, sailors off the coast, and even tanks on the move. ... There were many pigeon heroes and several of these war birds received medals...."
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Old 22.05.2012, 15:34
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this is idiotic: first cite a ridiculous story on a turkish tabloid and discuss it for pages, and then cherry pick real news sources (turkish military general staff website, turkish state news agency Anatolia, highest selling newspaper in turkey, haaretz) to make a mess out of it, and top it off by implying israeli sources are good and turkish ones are crap...

i understand you dont like turks, but show some consistency will you?
Why imply ? The Turkish news sources are not reliable when it comes to Israel.

When the Israeli police will investigate the case of the spying Turkish beetle & invent stories about Turkish UAVs over Afula I'll be happy to report them...

The Turkish military is failing in its war against the Kurds and is looking for a scapegoat. Israel is very handy.
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Old 22.05.2012, 16:02
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The Turkish military is failing in its war against the Kurds and is looking for a scapegoat. Israel is very handy.
wow! You can't find better? Really?
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Old 22.05.2012, 16:16
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Why imply ? The Turkish news sources are not reliable when it comes to Israel.

When the Israeli police will investigate the case of the spying Turkish beetle & invent stories about Turkish UAVs over Afula I'll be happy to report them...

The Turkish military is failing in its war against the Kurds and is looking for a scapegoat. Israel is very handy.
"the spying Turkish beetle " how did you hear about that?
Damn, another security leak.
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Old 22.05.2012, 16:16
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Why imply ? The Turkish news sources are not reliable when it comes to Israel.
Let me correct you. When it comes to Israel, nobody is reliable except them

Look at you guys. This is the exact point why the newspapers publish such articles. I must say whether they are reliable or not, they keep you guys talking about them.
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Old 22.05.2012, 16:19
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wow! You can't find better? Really?
Israel is the best scapegoat ever - 100% halal !
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Old 22.05.2012, 16:21
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Let me correct you. When it comes to Israel, nobody is reliable except them

Look at you guys. This is the exact point why the newspapers publish such articles. I must say whether they are reliable or not, they keep you guys talking about them.
The reason I'm concerned is that these fake stories build a negative public opinion which can take very nasty consequences.
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The reason I'm concerned is that these fake stories build a negative public opinion which can take very nasty consequences.
Over zealous people who defend Israel no matter what against no matter who for no matter what have more chances to create a negative public opinion.

Especially when it is against Arabs and/or muslims.
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The reason I'm concerned is that these fake stories build a negative public opinion which can take very nasty consequences.
I fully understand your concern, but please do not forget that except the last government, Turkey always had good relationships with Israel and Turkish people never had problems with them.

Even this government had very good relationships with Israel and the changed their behavior after the Gaza War and the following Floatilla incident.

You might not agree whether they were right or not, but we must see the reasons behind the actions.
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Re: Turkey suspects bird of being Israeli spy

The current turkish government changed many years of positive Turkish attitude to Israel - I think the reason was Turkish policy of seeking new alliances in Arab countries - Ergodabn defined Assad as "a brother" , accepted the Gaddafi peace prize, hosted the Sudanese premier etc.

But once conspiracy theories are planted in people attitude it's very difficult to get rid of them.
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The current turkish government changed many years of positive Turkish attitude to Israel - I think the reason was Turkish policy of seeking new alliances in Arab countries - Ergodabn defined Assad as "a brother" , accepted the Gaddafi peace prize, hosted the Sudanese premier etc.

But once conspiracy theories are planted in people attitude it's very difficult to get rid of them.
Correct and I don't blame them, it was strategic choice in order to gain more popularity among arab nations and get a good share from their economies. This is the common strategy of the European countries as well. Consider the bilatteral agreements of France, Germany and Italy with the so called dictators. Erdogan's government is a capitalist one and he is playing according to the rules.

On the other hand, Erdogan is destined to leave his position as well and there will be a day that AKP will not be in government anymore. However especially after the floatilla incident it will be hard to win back the hearts of the Turkish public. This incident was the biggest trap organized by AKP and Israel fell into it.
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Old 22.05.2012, 17:45
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Correct and I don't blame them, it was strategic choice in order to gain more popularity among arab nations and get a good share from their economies. This is the common strategy of the European countries as well. Consider the bilatteral agreements of France, Germany and Italy with the so called dictators. Erdogan's government is a capitalist one and he is playing according to the rules.

On the other hand, Erdogan is destined to leave his position as well and there will be a day that AKP will not be in government anymore. However especially after the floatilla incident it will be hard to win back the hearts of the Turkish public. This incident was the biggest trap organized by AKP and Israel fell into it.
Problem is it has now turned into a lose - lose situation for both Turkey & Israel.

I do not see Turkey & Israel forming a new partnership in the near future. Although there were rumours of a senior Erdogan envoy in Israel last week.

On the other hand Erdogan now has to deal with the changed dynamics of the "Arab Spring" where he is seen as a friend of the old regimes which makes it difficult for him to build relations with the new guys on the block.
I do not suppose he is displaying his Gaddafi peace prize in a place of honour.

Plus his attacks on Israel about their treatment of the Paöestinians does not sit well with his treatment of the Kurds at home.
BTW

TheTurkish president, Abdullah Gul, has said today the US administration is trying to convince the US Congress to allow the sale of armed drones to Turkey.

Turkey wants to buy the drones to help its fight autonomy-seeking Kurdish rebels

Armed Drones!!

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