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Egypt islamist?

On the news this morning, a sociologist from Egypt was saying that maybe 20% of the population was against and scared of the real possibility of the Muslim's Brother to take the presidency while 80% was having a positive opinion about it. Well, no wonder when you see how much implicated they are in the population.

There is no much doubt that if this happen, Sharia law will take place in Egypt.

I wish our Egyptian EF members would share their opinions on this matter.

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There is no much doubt that if this happen, Sharia law will take place in Egypt.
What part of Sharia Law are you actually worried might be implemented? If it will be implemented it will be an Egyptian way of implementing it. I'm not following this closely but even if Sharia Law or whatever other Law is implemented, I say let the people decide, it's their country and their right to elect who they choose even if it's a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.

We shouldn't be advocating democracy and democratic elections but only if it's convenient to us.
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Re: Egypt islamist?

I worry about stuff closer to home.

All the poor Swiss that left home this morning without an umbrella because they were promised sunshine. Well, the heavens opened. Who's to blame? Politicians? Seeded clouds? Or maybe farting pigs and cows?
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What part of Sharia Law are you actually worried might be implemented? If it will be implemented it will be an Egyptian way of implementing it. I'm not following this closely but even if Sharia Law or whatever other Law is implemented, I say let the people decide, it's their country and their right to elect who they choose even if it's a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.

We shouldn't be advocating democracy and democratic elections but only if it's convenient to us.
In the enterview of the brother's members, a married couple were talking about the application strict of the Shariah. The application of the rules like cutting hands and stoned if guilty of stealing and adultery as exemple. And marriage of girls back at 14. Those are just few exemple.

Now, I agree a country should decide for themselves. It is also easy to fall in the extremism of the law if not well managed.

I didn't share any of my opinion yet, I am only stating the facts going on now and what was on the news this morning.
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On the news this morning, a sociologist from Egypt was saying that maybe 20% of the population was against and scared of the real possibility of the Muslim's Brother to take the presidency while 80% was having a positive opinion about it. Well, no wonder when you see how much implicated they are in the population.

There is no much doubt that if this happen, Sharia law will take place in Egypt.

I wish our Egyptian EF members would share their opinions on this matter.

Nil
To answer your questions from a voting station now in Egypt where i am currently at:

The % of people who are against Islamists for what they have done during the past year exceeds 50% easily, we're currently running surveys on voters since 8:00 am

Regarding the Sharia law, as per art. 2 of the Egyptian constitution, our juridical system is based on Sharia principles already but Sharia judgments / punishments are not practiced and it WON'T ever be.....majority of the Egyptian society are against it as per the surveys we're currently doing.

Once we're done with the final survey reports, i will be happy to share it with you
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Old 23.05.2012, 11:11
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To answer your questions from a voting station now in Egypt where i am currently at:

The % of people who are against Islamists for what they have done during the past year exceeds 50% easily, we're currently running surveys on voters since 8:00 am

Regarding the Sharia law, as per art. 2 of the Egyptian constitution, our juridical system is based on Sharia principles already but Sharia judgments / punishments are not practiced and it WON'T ever be.....majority of the Egyptian society are against it as per the surveys we're currently doing.

Once we're done with the final survey reports, i will be happy to share it with you
Thanks a lot honey! I knew I could count on you to give answers! I am curious to see how in the cow field the news was! Inshallah!
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..., I say let the people decide, it's their country and their right to elect who they choose even if it's a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.

We shouldn't be advocating democracy and democratic elections but only if it's convenient to us.
The Christian minority would find it quite inconvenient - it's already hard enough there.

Further, it wouldn't be the first time that a political group that's ideologically opposed to democracy came to power via democracy. Such a result is only harmful to freedom.
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The Christian minority would find it quite inconvenient - it's already hard enough there.

Further, it wouldn't be the first time that a political group that's ideologically opposed to democracy came to power via democracy. Such a result is only harmful to freedom.
For the sake of balance, an extract of a Q&A with Dr. Mohamed El-Sayed Habib, First Deputy of the Chairman of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

Q: Do you have an integral program for the uplifting of the political and economic situation of Egypt?

A: We believe that the political reform is the true and natural gateway for all other kinds of reform. We have announced our acceptance of democracy that acknowledges political pluralism, the peaceful rotation of power and the fact that the nation is the source of all powers. As we see it, political reform includes the termination of the state of emergency, restoring public freedoms, including the right to establish political parties, whatever their tendencies may be, and the freedom of the press, freedom of criticism and thought, freedom of peaceful demonstrations, freedom of assembly, etc. It also includes the dismantling of all exceptional courts and the annulment of all exceptional laws, establishing the independence of the judiciary, enabling the judiciary to fully and truly supervise general elections so as to ensure that they authentically express people’s will, removing all obstacles that restrict the functioning of civil society organizations, etc.

Q: Some Copts in Egypt were so alarmed by the recent rise of the Muslim Brotherhood that some of them declared that they would leave Egypt as a result! What is the nature of the Brotherhood’s relations with Copts?

A: We consider our Coptic brothers as citizens enjoying all rights associated with citizenship and as part of the fabric of the Egyptian society. We consider them as partners in the country, in decision-making and in determining our future. Consequently, the basis for filling public posts shall be efficiency, ability and experience, not religion or beliefs.
On that basis, we see no justification or logic for the concern of some Copts over the rise of Muslim Brothers. But this is due to the bad political atmosphere in which the Egyptian people live and which has led to a general state of apprehension and tension. It has been aggravated by the self-imposed isolation of our Coptic brothers and their failure to integrate in public life.
From our side, we are conducting dialogues with them and are trying to take them out of their isolation, by encouraging some individuals among them to take part in the activities of syndicates, conferences and symposiums dealing with public affairs. In addition, we support some of them in legislative and syndicate elections.

Q: Some segments of the elite in Egypt and abroad are worried that the Muslim Brotherhood seeks to establish a theocracy. How would you react to that?

A:This concern stems from a wrong understanding of the nature of Islam. To those who speak about a religious state, in the same ecclesiastical meaning given to it in Europe in the middle ages, when the church had hegemony over a State’s authorities, we wish to say that the issue here is completely different.

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The Christian minority would find it quite inconvenient - it's already hard enough there.

Further, it wouldn't be the first time that a political group that's ideologically opposed to democracy came to power via democracy. Such a result is only harmful to freedom.
See Castro's post. I think it's rediculous to just assume that a party is opposed to democracy just because it has the word Muslim or Brotherhood within it's title
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Interesting article on MB and women

And the sisterhood
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Interesting article on MB and women

And the sisterhood
And what does it say?
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And what does it say?
Read it?
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I can't read articles that are opposed to my superior beliefs
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Re: Egypt islamist?

Had to laugh at this bit from the article

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Arwa says her new fiancé is different ... She says she told him that she just might fly to Qatar on the morning after their wedding to attend a conference. "I think he didn't dare say anything about it," she says.
I'd just like to say that that is a bit extreme - and it's also a bit weird, and also I feel sorry for that guy.
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Had to laugh at this bit from the article



I'd just like to say that that is a bit extreme - and it's also a bit weird, and also I feel sorry for that guy.
Modern Egyptian women are tough on their husbands
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Re: Egypt islamist?

We're currently counting votes (30% counted)....approx. 26 million out of 51 million legal voters voted, competition is mainly between Morsi the MB candidate and Sabahi the leftist candidate.....we're expecting the second round to be between both of them...it's a bit early to say so now though
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See Castro's post. I think it's rediculous to just assume that a party is opposed to democracy just because it has the word Muslim or Brotherhood within it's title
Islamists often are ideologically opposed to democracy. If the Muslim Brotherhood aren't, that's a good thing.

The point though, is that the idea that a democratically elected group who are ideologically opposed to democracy is a validation of democracy. It isn't. It's one of the weaknesses of democracy. It isn't always good that the will of the people is carried out.

As far as the statement of the treatment of Copts, first of all Dr. Mohamed El-Sayed Habib is a politician.

Second: But this is due to the bad political atmosphere in which the Egyptian people live and which has led to a general state of apprehension and tension. It has been aggravated by the self-imposed isolation of our Coptic brothers and their failure to integrate in public life.

So the persecution that Copts undergo is down to the previous administration, and the Copts themselves. Hmm.

If the Muslim Brotherhood gain power, will they permit Muslims to convert to Christianity? At the moment, that is illegal. Will children from mixed religious marriages still be required to be brought up as Muslims? Will churches that have been destroyed or damaged by sectarian violence be granted the permits they need under law, in order to start to repair and rebuild?

It is NOT easy to be a Copt in Egypt. There is definite persecution, and I find it hard to believe that under a Muslim Brotherhood administration, things would improve. Any overtly religious party is bad for democracy and religious freedom. Be they Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu... Though possibly the followers of the flying spaghetti monster (with or without meatballs) would present too much of a problem.
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Re: Egypt islamist?

What is an islamist by the way? question to OP. Islam is not an "ism" as far as I know.
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What is an islamist by the way? question to OP. Islam is not an "ism" as far as I know.
Islam is the religion. Islamists are people who practice a more strong, more hard Islam. Not all Muslims are Islamists but all Islamists are Muslims.

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etimes vary (see below). Leading Islamist thinkers emphasized the enforcement of Sharia (Islamic law); of pan-Islamic political unity; and of the elimination of non-Muslim, particularly Western military, economic, political, social, or cultural influences in the Muslim world, which they believe to be incompatible with Islam.[2]
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An Islamist is someone who thinks that if you don't follow his (often very harsh) interpretation of Islam, then you are not a muslim. Bit like JWs who say anyone who isn't a christian of their ilk isn't a christian at all, but with guns.
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