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In Assange's case, it's all self-inflicted. He made a series of choices that led to where he is today. He courted the notoriety and revelled in it. We shall see where this leads...
Agreed. And for what it's worth I wouldn't be surprised if the wild-eyed beard look wasn't an attempt to garner sympathy. Mind you, 7 years in one building cannot be conducive to good mental health. As for the smeared walls... his version of a dirty protest? The start of an insanity plea? He'll need psychiatric assistance, no doubt. The situation is terrible for all concerned.
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Old 13.04.2019, 13:38
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He's an Australian national and Australia had around 2,000 troops in Iraq, which makes them an ally and part of the Iraq War coalition of ground troops.
Then it's up to Australia to charge and try him, NOT the US.

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Old 13.04.2019, 13:41
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Then it's up to Australia to charge and try him, NOT the US.

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Yeah, but whatever suits hem...self-righteousness seems international and contageous.

As long as people can comment about the way that guy aged.
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Yeah, but whatever suits hem...self-righteousness seems international and contageous.

As long as people can comment about the way that guy aged.


Why are you so fixated on this?
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And can you elaborate a bit more on "he behaves like an Australian"?
Omtatsat is Australian for example..
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Old 13.04.2019, 15:10
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Yeah, but whatever suits hem...self-righteousness seems international and contageous.:
Not my monkey. Not my circus.
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The difficulty most people feel is with the balance between freedom - freedom of information - security.

We believe we have the right to know everything. We don't. We don't have the right to know details that compromise the personal security of thousands of people who's daily job it is to keep the rest of us safe. That was a step too far.

The word 'traitor' is bandied around for far lesser things than Assange actually did and/or authorised. He didn't filter the information to protect the thousands of people who were dragged into this unholy mess.
Assange has published information which revealed the war crimes of the US military. I think we have the right to know the details of the war crimes. Does this knowledge “compromise the personal security of thousands of people who's daily job is to keep the rest of us safe”? Possibly. But this could be applied to anything that criticizes those “thousands of people “ in the military, even to this discussion. I believe that the war crimes should be made public even if the US military is committing them, and I think Assange did a great public service to all of us by publishing this information.
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Omtatsat is Australian for example..
Yeeeeeaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh! One for the Australians!
Australia's proud of ya, mate.

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self-righteousness seems international and contageous.
Julian Assange is the embodiment of self-righteousness. He's just a common criminal, a snitch, an anti-semite and shit-stirrer. He's neither a hero nor an evil genius. He's just a self-righteous gobshite who thinks he knows best for everyone else.

I hope they send him to Guantanamo, and we never have to hear from the tiresome little toad ever again.
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Assange has published information which revealed the war crimes of the US military. I think we have the right to know the details of the war crimes. Does this knowledge “compromise the personal security of thousands of people who's daily job is to keep the rest of us safe”? Possibly. But this could be applied to anything that criticizes those “thousands of people “ in the military, even to this discussion. I believe that the war crimes should be made public even if the US military is committing them, and I think Assange did a great public service to all of us by publishing this information.
If there is one thing the US government hates more is when someone holds a mirror in front of their face
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Old 14.04.2019, 12:36
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If there is one thing the US government hates more is when someone holds a mirror in front of their face
Back in the early 1990s, the Australian Police weren't keen on him either. He's got a criminal record there too for hacking. Even today, the Australian PM has said that he won't receive any special treatment.
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Back in the early 1990s, the Australian Police weren't keen on him either. He's got a criminal record there too for hacking. Even today, the Australian PM has said that he won't receive any special treatment.
All Australia PM's have been and still are puppets of the USA
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Old 14.04.2019, 15:26
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Re: Assange should man up and not run

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Julian Assange is the embodiment of self-righteousness. He's just a common criminal, a snitch, an anti-semite and shit-stirrer. He's neither a hero nor an evil genius. He's just a self-righteous gobshite who thinks he knows best for everyone else.

I hope they send him to Guantanamo, and we never have to hear from the tiresome little toad ever again.
A lot of people in the public eye don't stand up to close scrutiny and he would have been a particular target for character assassination attempts. I can't comment much else on that because the only information I have is through the reports and allegations in the media, although clearly he did not refrain from grandstanding.
Many of the people exposed through the information he published had forfeited their right to privacy because of the gravity of their crimes. He, apparently, had the integrity to protect his sources. [but I am wondering if we are going to hear anything more about Seth Rich]
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Re: Assange should man up and not run

To do what Assange did, you have to be some sort of psycho.
Normal people just don't put themselves in such a situation.

You have to be absolutely driven.


From what I've read, he rarely does anything without thinking about the PR that can be squeezed from that action.

As such, the appearance he had getting carried out of the embassy was probably 100% calculated.

He knew his days in the embassy were coming to an end. It was in the news weeks or even months ago.
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Omtatsat is Australian for example..
So is 22 yards, so your point is?

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The difficulty most people feel is with the balance between freedom - freedom of information - security.

We believe we have the right to know everything. We don't. We don't have the right to know details that compromise the personal security of thousands of people who's daily job it is to keep the rest of us safe. That was a step too far.
That's simply not credible any more.

The same argument was used against Manning yet the US were unable to provide even one single case even though the trial was held almost four years after the publication of the documents.

It's the same as Iraq's WMDs - repeat the lie often enough and eventually people will believe it.
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That's simply not credible any more.

The same argument was used against Manning yet the US were unable to provide even one single case even though the trial was held almost four years after the publication of the documents.
It's not only credible, it's factual. Thousands of people had their personal security and privacy compromised by those leaks. What the court couldn't prove is that any person had come to harm from those leaks. An analogy would be if one of your colleagues put your personal mobile number and home address in an email to all your colleagues, clients and customers without your express permission. Even if nobody phones the number or visits your home as a result, it doesn't mean your privacy and security haven't been breached.
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Re: Assange should man up and not run

anyone who doesn't think crap things happen during wars is an idiot, yes the americans killed innocent people with missiles and videoed it, some troops where probably over enthusiastic to engage the 'enemy' - funny that when you've seen your mates blown to bits with IED's. Its happened since the beginning of time. What the troops on the ground don't need is some prick posting those videos on line so the 'enemy' can use them as propaganda, getting any locals who didn't already to hate the troops.
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anyone who doesn't think crap things happen during wars is an idiot, yes the americans killed innocent people with missiles and videoed it, some troops where probably over enthusiastic to engage the 'enemy' - funny that when you've seen your mates blown to bits with IED's. Its happened since the beginning of time. What the troops on the ground don't need is some prick posting those videos on line so the 'enemy' can use them as propaganda, getting any locals who didn't already to hate the troops.



That ship had already sailed long ago at that point.


With the same arguments, the publication of the details of the My Lai massacre in Vietnam could have (and actually has been) been damned.


That's "OK", if you don't consider the US (and the West as a whole) a civil society anymore but something more closer to a military dictatorship in an all-out world-war where everything and everybody has to subordinate under one singular goal: win the war, whatever the cost.
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It's not only credible, it's factual. Thousands of people had their personal security and privacy compromised by those leaks. What the court couldn't prove is that any person had come to harm from those leaks. An analogy would be if one of your colleagues put your personal mobile number and home address in an email to all your colleagues, clients and customers without your express permission. Even if nobody phones the number or visits your home as a result, it doesn't mean your privacy and security haven't been breached.
People who commit or aid and abet those who commit atrocities, are complicit in illegal wars, war crimes etc. cannot claim "right to privacy" to prevent their exposure. The enhanced risk they have been exposed to through the publication of this evidence is nothing in comparison to what their victims have suffered. Neither do I buy the argument that such information should remain hidden because, if people realise the extent of the barbarity, it may have a negative effect on those responsible for it.
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