Read Melzer Twitter - 99% of it is about Assange.

Both Melzer and the anonymous Doctors didn't find any psychological torture but only "symptoms" which "could have been caused by psychological torture".

I'll take Melzer more seriously when he deals with real torture victms .

99%? Seriously? so if I go and check his last 100 tweets there will be a single one that is not about Assange, this is the hill you want to die on?

You have another reason for his psychological condition? were there other stresses in his life that perhaps were more urgent than multiple state actors targeting him?

Imagine the doctors only found bruises that could have been caused by physical torture.

I'll take you more serously, probably never.

Check his twitter and explain why is assange more important then the Journalists in Turkey, Doctors in China, Civilians in Iran, Protesters in Iraq and many others who are now being Physically and Psychologically tortured.

Assange's "symptoms" have been faked before many to avoid justice.

Assange caused the deaths of many people - should it be forgiven just because of press freedom ?

He is more important because the thread is about Assange. Feel free to open threads for Turkish journalists, Chinese doctors,civilians in Iran and any other group of people suffering for some reason.

1. Melzer is the U.N special reporter about Torture - As such he should work on the most critical issues of torture.
2. Melzer doesn't care about other victims of torture (see his twitter), only Assange.

Hence:

3. Melzer isn't impartial in the Assange affair and his views on it should be taken with a lot of salt.

I have to say, you would make him proud. As a man who relentlessly likes the focus on himself and his greatness, Assange would be very chuffed to know there was a discussion on EF ONLY about him and any attempt to point out other people might actually be having a harder time, is resolutely shut down.

Lets keep it on the man - though like many millions of other men - suffering in prison, though of course this one is just a bit more special, a bit more important and just generally a bit better than them.

Because Nils Melzer is not in Turkey, China or Iran, does not investigate there and can not report on it. Some people take their work seriously. Very unpopular apparently, to head-line and only one head-line per subject readers.

You keep babbling about Assange having caused the death of many people. a) it's not true and b) if it were, you're fighting to protect the murderers and hang the messenger?
Blimey. I hope you are very young, you deserve to live in the world we seem to be heading for. You need bruises to see injustice.

I think thats probably spot on. Although he's head honcho for investigating torture at the UN, he certainly doesn't want to do it in places like Turkey because its just a ghastly place to investigate and besides, there just isn't that much interest in those poor refugees getting electric shocks. Better to choose Assange: rich, well known, in the spotlight and a bonefide tortured artist and someone who will talk forever about how big the cross on his back is.

How do you prove wikileaks harms people ? of course, you can't - you cannot either prove its a benefit to anyone as both are things that might have happened but there will be no definitive logical proof of it. Here's an example of it causing significant damage to innocent people: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wikilea...ateral-damage/ of course Wikileaks don't give a toss, as long as they stay in the spotlight.

That's a keeper. the U.N can't operate in Turkey, China or Iran ?

As I said earlier, we can have a discussion about the rights and wrongs of wikileaks, what shouldn't be up for discussion is that Assange deserves due process and that the state should be guaranteeing due process. What the state should not be doing is making up charges and leaking them to the press, making up excuses why he can't be questioned, or inflicting solitary confinement for the better part of a year with limited access to lawyers for a crime normally punished by a fine or a couple of weeks imprisonment.

But you can't make that argument can you? you have nothing except desperate attempts to score points with semantics and unfounded claims about the motivation of the investigator and made up statistics about his twitter feed.

Bit of a recurring theme, whats "not up for discussion" with assange supporters. Bringing up that their are other people being tortured was shut down as not being relevant before, now we're not allowed to discuss whether he's had what you define as due process ?

He didnt have to hide in an embassy for years. He could have just gone to the police to answer his charges at any time, but no, he preferred to stay in the embassy making statements. Next time someone hides for years in an embassy before they are forcibly removed, we'll see if the local judge lets them off with a fine, or whether perhaps he deems them more of a risk.

Assange is a publicity seeking individual with a huge ego who tells people what they want to hear so that it can further his reputation, he has been dealt with absolutely correctly in my view.

Well I'm not trying to shut down a discussion sorry if it came across as such, but there are some basics that I think need agreeing on, and that's whatever Assange may or may not have done, the state does not get to concoct offences and manipulate events to avoid giving him the opportunity to address the allegations. It is no surprise the Swedes were adamant that he not be interviewed in the embassy, because the whole game would be up. Remember, there were no charges to answer, none were brought. Is there really a question that he was denied due process?

It doesn't matter where he hid or for how long, the crime was the same - skipping bail and that does not normally attract a sentence of a year in jail mostly in solitary.

Lastly, yes I think it is irrelevant whether there are other people tortured, it doesn't change what happened to Assange, if your mate tells you someone punched them, you don't tell them there are people elsewhere getting stabbed.

Breaking news while typing this:
Assange lawyers say Trump offered a pardon if he (Assange) would say Russia didn't hack the DNC, well thats interesting.

Not even Friday!
Source

Somehow rings true

Looks like this story has got legs...

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-off...hears-11938058

Text of the open letter published by the Lancet
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...383-4/fulltext

other open letters are at
https://doctorsassange.org/#open_letter

various doctors have been trying to highlight this since October last year

Assange now to seek political asylum in France say the newspapers!!! You couldn’t make this stuff up. Is there anywhere in the world he won’t try and hide rather than face the music ?

You take assange's words as fact. in fact, people were tortured and killed because of him.

These were no murderers, but people exposed because he didn't care about them.

Should he be extradited to the U.S ? I don't know. But he should pay the price for his actions.

There is something that does not add up here.
Assange has already ruled out that Russia had anything to do with the DNC server hacking. He has stated that the source was a "non-state" actor. He has already implied that Seth Rich was the source of the information (and offered a reward for information about his murder). Surely if Assange was offered a pardon on the condition that he confirmed that Russia had nothing to do with the leaks, he would have gladly accepted the opportunity.

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Meanwhile

Source

More to this story than we know?

The first person in your link Mazyar Ebrahimi I assume is your torture reference, the article says "He believes one of his competitors falsely accused him of spying for foreigners"

Majid Jamali Fashi, who I assume is your killed reference was not named in any wikileaks release, Iran acted on a mention of a martial arts expert and siezed the kick boxer Fashi, the actual person being referred to was not Fashi, nor was he a kick boxer.

It's not valid to claim wikileaks release of a cable mentioning a martial artist put all Iranian martial artists in danger any more than it is valid to claim a news article mentioning 'a highly placed government official' puts all highly placed government officials in danger. You need to do better than this.

That said you are missing the point, I suspect willfully. I can only repeat, whatever the rights and wrongs of Wikileaks actions nothing justifies the abuse of state power that Melzer documents.