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Is it just me or does Assange look like someone who was still being breast fed well into his twenties?
No! You are correct. Milksop is the term I would use to describe him.
Jeez! The guy has had his 15 minutes, in a year or two nobody will remember Assange.
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Old 16.08.2012, 18:15
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Just in case I have missed something: I believe he has not even allegedly raped a woman - he had consensual, unprotected sex and the woman later on changed her mind that she did not really wanted it. What sounds bizarre to most people is some minor offense in Sweden. .
Actually is a little subtler than that. They has consensual sex and nobody is changing mind on this. They has unprotected sex. Now this by the Swedish law is considered rape if not consensual (unprotected sex).
I would highlight Swedish law, and the fact that it happened in Sweden.
The women are now saying that they didn't want unprotected sex, not that sex was not consensual. If they had sex and he would have had a condom, everything ok. This distinction would have not applied in many other contries.
Why do I think that somebody could have paid the 2 women? Why do I think that goverments do that to protect their secrets? Am I too conspirationist?

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Old 16.08.2012, 18:22
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We are all responsible for our own actions.
Great. Does this apply to goverments too, or not?
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Given the Swedish track record of cooperation with the US even in cases which clearly affected their neutrality as well as human rights
When has Sweden extradited anyone to the USA? If there was any risk of Assange being extradited to the USA, the UK could surely have done it by now, since they've done that to foreigners before (e.g. Abu Hamza). But Assange didn't seem worried about that. Wonder why.
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Old 16.08.2012, 19:09
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Snip - (Why it is easier to extradite him from Sweden, I've never fully understood.)
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Extradite? I don't think anybody's talking about extradition from Sweden. Rendition, of the extraordinary kind, would be the word you're looking for, I think.

Sweden has a history of being very complicit, and even active, with regards to extraordinary rendition to the US, or to a proxy location. Admittedly Sweden "officially" ended any rendition agreements with the US back in 2006 when there was a political blow up about it, but that's not to say it doesn't unofficially still happen. In fact when it did happen I suspect it most certainly wasn't "official".

Let's not forget that the country that looks after US interests in North Korea is Sweden, so these guys are very buddy buddy.

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Let's not forget that the country that looks after US interests in North Korea is Sweden, so these guys are very buddy buddy.
Well, Switzerland is looking after US interests in Cuba. but that does not mean, that there is not a lot of tension in the relations of the two countries...
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Well, Switzerland is looking after US interests in Cuba
And Iran, etc.

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That was expected, no? If I was a president of a Latin American country had I no interest in Assange at all... till the moment the UK unleashed their direct threat to storm my consulate. I guess every single politician dreams of situation like these. They cannot lose:

1. You shout "bring it on" which makes you more popular with the thicker part of the population.

2 a. Assange arrives, you throw a party and can claim to have shown it to the imperialist pigs.

2 b. The UK really either storms the embassy or arrests Assange while he is in a diplomatic convoy. You'll have a field day throwing out the British embassador in return, revoke some visas or something and make a speech on TV how you do not accept it - your popularity goes up again.
Is this really that attractive for a small country (or any country) to anger Britain, Sweden or US? Irritating all three of them together – is this really a dream come true for any politician?
I wonder why the media is looking for the self-serving reasons to attribute to Ecuador. What about the risks involved, like a risk of damaging the trading relations?

I liked how the Ecuadorian government handled the situation with Assange. They made an ethical decision and should be credited for this…
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Old 17.08.2012, 08:47
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No! You are correct. Milksop is the term I would use to describe him.
Jeez! The guy has had his 15 minutes, in a year or two nobody will remember Assange.
Fully agree on his looks but absolutely disagree on the importance of the case. No matter what one thinks of Wiki Leaks, fact is that they published documents that give a deep and unbiased insight into the US government for nearly a decade. Historians will love this stuff for decades to come - no matter what you are researching, you are fairly likely to find something funny and noteworthy in that cables. This stunt will be remembered just as watergate or similar cases are.
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Old 17.08.2012, 09:16
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A shame bradley manning is already in prison for the rest of his life.
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Old 17.08.2012, 09:51
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Fully agree on his looks but absolutely disagree on the importance of the case. No matter what one thinks of Wiki Leaks, fact is that they published documents that give a deep and unbiased insight into the US government for nearly a decade. Historians will love this stuff for decades to come - no matter what you are researching, you are fairly likely to find something funny and noteworthy in that cables. This stunt will be remembered just as watergate or similar cases are.
True, on the other hand if it was not for the media coverage of the guy Wikileaks would already have been forgotten by you and me.
Historians? Also agree, but only them.
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Old 17.08.2012, 10:22
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True, on the other hand if it was not for the media coverage of the guy Wikileaks would already have been forgotten by you and me.
Historians? Also agree, but only them.

and at the moment the history will show an aussie US hating rapist published a load of lies from a gender confused post traumatic stress disorder mental case.

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Old 17.08.2012, 10:28
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Re: Assange should man up and not run

'Man up', amusing...One has to be exceptionally naive to doubt that this has all been anything but a US rouse to flush him out and pack him off to Guantanamo...Probably why the former Swedish Chief Prosecutor concurred that the Swedish government's actions and legal basis for forcing an extradition in the first place is without basis...Swedish government refused to interview/question him in the UK and refused to guarantee that the WikiLeaks head would not be shipped off to the US...Hola Ecuador!

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'Man up', amusing...One has to be exceptionally naive to doubt that this has all been anything but a US rouse to flush him out and pack him off to Guantanamo...Probably why the former Swedish Chief Prosecutor concurred that the Swedish government's actions and legal basis for forcing an extradition in the first place is without basis...Swedish government refused to interview/question him in the UK and refused to guarantee that the WikiLeaks head would not be shipped off to the US...Hola Ecuador!

'Man up'
Or one could be the sort of person that judges situations based on evidence, not shadowy accusations and comments designed to denigrate those who disagree with one.

Edit: Maybe it's worth adding that if we wanted him, we'd already have him anyway. The American government has shown an amazing lack of respect for foreign sovereignity; we coudl easily kidnap him, toss him in a boat and bring him home. Isn't that how most of the Gitmo folks got there anyway? That being the case, why would we wait if we wanted him so badly? It's not hard to concoct a story about how Assange slipped over the border and was on a boat to Ecuador when one of our navy ships intercepted it and took him, thereby sparing our relationship with the GB folks. And since the conspiracy theorists are all over it anyway, none of the PR would change, so there's relatively little risk in it.

One might therefore reasonably conclude that the US isn't all that bothered by yet another attention-seeking celebrity trying to get special treatment.
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Old 17.08.2012, 13:16
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Or one could be the sort of person that judges situations based on evidence, not shadowy accusations and comments designed to denigrate those who disagree with one.

Edit: Maybe it's worth adding that if we wanted him, we'd already have him anyway. The American government has shown an amazing lack of respect for foreign sovereignity; we coudl easily kidnap him, toss him in a boat and bring him home. Isn't that how most of the Gitmo folks got there anyway? That being the case, why would we wait if we wanted him so badly? It's not hard to concoct a story about how Assange slipped over the border and was on a boat to Ecuador when one of our navy ships intercepted it and took him, thereby sparing our relationship with the GB folks. And since the conspiracy theorists are all over it anyway, none of the PR would change, so there's relatively little risk in it.

One might therefore reasonably conclude that the US isn't all that bothered by yet another attention-seeking celebrity trying to get special treatment.

Nice in theory but Assange is far too known to be rendered in the middle of the night the way anyone suspected of 'terrorism' has been...They could of course or they could drone him while in air, expose him to plutonium the way the Russians & Israelis snuff out opponents or the old fashioned targeted assassination

As for evidence, that's the beauty of this lynching, there has been precious little...It's a witch hunt but we've been numbed over the past decade to what constitutes a violation of one's rights

If we've learned anything since 9/11, it's that warring trumps civil rights let alone truth & silencing those who slow that objective down meet with similar consequences...And if you're implying that it's only conspiracy theorists who logically have put together this as a directive coming from DC, then it might be a good time to bring you up to speed on there not being any Santa Claus either
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Or one could be the sort of person that judges situations based on evidence, not shadowy accusations and comments designed to denigrate those who disagree with one.

Edit: Maybe it's worth adding that if we wanted him, we'd already have him anyway. The American government has shown an amazing lack of respect for foreign sovereignity; we coudl easily kidnap him, toss him in a boat and bring him home. Isn't that how most of the Gitmo folks got there anyway? That being the case, why would we wait if we wanted him so badly? It's not hard to concoct a story about how Assange slipped over the border and was on a boat to Ecuador when one of our navy ships intercepted it and took him, thereby sparing our relationship with the GB folks. And since the conspiracy theorists are all over it anyway, none of the PR would change, so there's relatively little risk in it.

One might therefore reasonably conclude that the US isn't all that bothered by yet another attention-seeking celebrity trying to get special treatment.
You can kidnap somebody IF he/she is not famous, like many people from middle east who ended up in Guantamano without even knowing why.
But if the person is famous they cannot do it. It would bring demonstrations, evenb riots and goverments are allergic to them.
So? They must a semi-legal way to do it. Same goes with mister Mega-upload, but it didn't work out.
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A shame bradley manning is already in prison for the rest of his life.
He hasn't been tried yet.
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Manning's attorney seeks to have some charges dropped
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18519380

It looks like Assange has finally revealed his hand as the coward as he is by seeking asylum in the Ecuadorean embassy, and probably costing his friends the money they put up for his bail.

Whether he has done anything wrong or not is not the point, he should man up and face it head on and defend himself if he claims to be innocent. I don't consider Sweden to be a puppet of the US or a particularly sinister place to have a trial.
It hardly matters what country, as most authorities in the world clearly are opposed to him, and want him out of the way.
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It hardly matters what country, as most authorities in the world clearly are opposed to him, and want him out of the way.
Interesting article in the SMH:
http://www.smh.com.au/national/us-in...817-24e8u.html
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Re: Assange should man up and not run

Somebody in the Ecuadorean embassy seems to have opened the broom cupboard door and found this strange white-haired chap;

Julian Assange: UK considers talks with Ecuador minister

Or they are starting to realise just how much this is all costing...
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