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Assange should man up and not run

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18519380

It looks like Assange has finally revealed his hand as the coward as he is by seeking asylum in the Ecuadorean embassy, and probably costing his friends the money they put up for his bail.

Whether he has done anything wrong or not is not the point, he should man up and face it head on and defend himself if he claims to be innocent. I don't consider Sweden to be a puppet of the US or a particularly sinister place to have a trial.

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It looks like Assaange has finally revealed his hand as the coward as he is by seeking asylum in the Ecuadorian embassy, and probably costing his friends the money they put up for his bail.

Whether he has done anything wrong or not is not the point, he should man up and face it head on and defend himself if he claims to be innocent. I don't consider Sweden to be a puppet of the US or a particularly sinister place to have a trial.
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the problem is.. as I see it.. he has been railroaded MANY times, and because of how controversial he is, and because many want him shut up and shut down, it doesn't matter what he did or did not do.. he will be found guilty one way or another.

we now live in a world where our country leaders lie all the time about so many things, and control the media to keep those lies alive.

I am a fan of Julian Assange and while I have no substantial evidence of his innocence or guilt, I am taking the road less traveled and supporting him and his efforts.
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Old 20.06.2012, 12:16
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Re: Assange should man up and not run

We are all responsible for our own actions. He must have known the chain of events when he kicked it all off, there is no point in hiding from it. I do not know what crime(s) if any have been committed, but he has questions to answer.

If he goes to trial and it is obviously loaded against him, then the world will see it for what it is.
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We are all responsible for our own actions. He must have known the chain of events when he kicked it all off, there is no point in hiding from it. I do not know what crime(s) if any have been committed, but he has questions to answer.

If he goes to trial and it is obviously loaded against him, then the world will see it for what it is.
Would the world see it for what it is? Not likely. I say, just look at what has happened in the recent years with the "War in Iraq" mounted by the US. Yes, we were angry, yes we wanted someone to be held accountable. But, is that what happened? Nope! I know my comments seem off the topic, but they are not because of the lies that covered the truth for the general public for many years.

People like Julian Assange brought out the lies. For example, look at the video he published showing the US killing reporters by helicopter strikes, which is what really got him noticed by the governments.

Did you happen to notice that after he was really getting publicity, the rumors of his assaulting women came about? I don't know if they are true or not, but, for releasing documents that showed the many coverups and lies, in the US, he can be put to death.

So, I ask, should he be a martyr so his point is made, then forgotten shortly thereafter?

Sorry... my poor grammar and ranting got me way off of where I was...

I guess my question would be, should he risk an unfair trial, persecution by lack of association, and then what? He is found guilty, then extradited to the US then found guilty, then put to death.

Who will then take up his cause? Who will stand behind the belief that we all deserve to know the truth.

I, for one... hope there is a time and place where he can be free to continue his fight.

BTW, how come we are not questioning why he has been held for over 500 days without a single charge.. <- ugh, I am starting to rant again
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Old 20.06.2012, 12:43
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Re: Assange should man up and not run

I do not love Assange or hate him. There are rumours of sexual wrong doing I believe by 2 women, and it is these questions he has to answer. He cannot duck this issue by saying 'nobody likes me because I embarrased a few governments so I cannot possibly have a fair trial'.

I agree that alot of things are now in the open because of him and he was doing what he thought was right by exposing things, but the fact remains. He should face his accusers.

I also don't think even the US would have the balls to put him to death, the fallout would be massive - which is probably why he is still walking around today and hasn't met with 'an accident'.
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Old 20.06.2012, 13:00
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Re: Assange should man up and not run

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It looks like Assange has finally revealed his hand as the coward as he is by seeking asylum in the Ecuadorean embassy, and probably costing his friends the money they put up for his bail.

Whether he has done anything wrong or not is not the point, he should man up and face it head on and defend himself if he claims to be innocent. I don't consider Sweden to be a puppet of the US or a particularly sinister place to have a trial.

If you think Assange can get a fair trial in the US, I have some fabulous marshland plots in Florida to sell to you ...

The Swedish charges are known to be farcical; that Sweden is pursuing his extradition points to the amount of influence the US is able to exert.

I hope Assange lives. to embarrass a few more governments.
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Old 20.06.2012, 13:07
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Re: Assange should man up and not run

The swedes can keep him imprisoned for a month without charging or questioning him - simply because he's a foreigner.

My understanding is that he hasn't actually been charged at all. It's about forcing him to go back to Sweden and sit in a holding cell for up to a month, with access only to his lawyer, so that they can 'question' him.

Rightly or wrongly, he's very afraid of what can happen to him in jail. Assange has been in jail before. I don't blame him if he will do anything to not be there again - especially as someone who is considered on charges that in the jail system are 'lowest of the low'.
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Re: Assange should man up and not run

Try saying that when you know you will not get a fair trial and face the death penalty. He is not running, and is not a coward, in fact he has stood up for what he believes in. He is an icon of free speech. We should protect him, not villify him

If you were innocent of these crimes, why risk your freedom and life exposing yourself to the joke that is US justice in this matter. He will be framed, used as a scapegoat , the US hate him because he showed them up for what they are via the tools.

The whole case stinks. The US behaviour in this matter stinks and the UK/Swedish courts stink.


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It looks like Assange has finally revealed his hand as the coward as he is by seeking asylum in the Ecuadorean embassy, and probably costing his friends the money they put up for his bail.

Whether he has done anything wrong or not is not the point, he should man up and face it head on and defend himself if he claims to be innocent. I don't consider Sweden to be a puppet of the US or a particularly sinister place to have a trial.
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Re: Assange should man up and not run

Assange's unauthorised autobiography

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...The word “enemies” is peppered throughout. It even pops up in the second sentence. The first sentence deals with his birth, and the second reads: “One day I would meet my enemies and they would hate me for wanting the truth.” ...

Assange treats his own birth and childhood with great reverence. ...His grandmother “remembers my sense of dreamy wonderment” while, as a baby, he himself “just breathed curiosity”.
“My first word was ‘Why?’” he recalls. “It was also my favourite.” Could this really be true? I suppose we must take his word for it, but it seems more likely that it was a mis-hearing of “whaaaargh!” ...

The young Julian enjoys using a magnifying glass to set fire to ants. He spends his childhood on the move. He attends “well over” 30 different schools, which works out at roughly a new school every term. Can this be true? At one of them, he confronts an “obnoxious little girl who wouldn’t share her scooter ... In accordance with the school’s philosophy, I decided to express myself without hindrance, so I hit the girl over the head with a hammer. This caused a giant fuss, of course, and I had to leave, although the girl was fine.”
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It looks like Assange has finally revealed his hand as the coward as [he is]...

he should man up and face it head on...

There are rumours of sexual wrong doing I believe by 2 women, and it is these questions he has to answer. He cannot duck this issue by saying 'nobody likes me because I embarrased a few governments so I cannot possibly have a fair trial'.
I suggest you toddle off & do a bit more background reading before gobbing off, to be honest.
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Old 20.06.2012, 13:37
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Try saying that when you know you will not get a fair trial and face the death penalty. He is not running, and is not a coward, in fact he has stood up for what he believes in. He is an icon of free speech. We should protect him, not villify him.
He has stood up for what he believes in and should be admired for that, yes. He then by his own admission had sex with 2 women and these women are now claiming sexual assault or similar. If these charges are real then he should face them, if they are 'farcical' as some are suggesting, then it probably won't go to trial.

Is there any hard evidence that if he goes to Sweden then he will be extrodited to the US, or is he saying this to put the Swedish into disrepute?
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Old 20.06.2012, 13:41
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I suggest you toddle off & do a bit more background reading before gobbing off, to be honest.
Why the personal attack? There is alot of background reading on both sides, perhaps you should present a balanced argument instead of personal attacks, or is that beyond you?

He has run off like a coward leaving his friends and supporters looking a little bit stupid by all accounts. Fact.
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Re: Assange should man up and not run

Ironic for someone in the information disclosure business.

Assange autobiography: why he didn't want it published

Assange walks out of CNN interview
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"This interview is about something else," Assange told Shubert. "I'm going to walk if you're going to contaminate us revealing the deaths of 104,000 people with attacks against my person."
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We are all responsible for our own actions. He must have known the chain of events when he kicked it all off, there is no point in hiding from it. I do not know what crime(s) if any have been committed, but he has questions to answer.

If he goes to trial and it is obviously loaded against him, then the world will see it for what it is.
Nigel - you should burn a poster of Khomeini and then go answer questions in Tehran. If the Iranians don't treat you right, then the world will see them for what they are...
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Re: Assange should man up and not run

In a case that's so clearly heavily politicised, it's not wise to draw any form of conclusions from the information purported by the media - not least something as black and white as "he should man up." It's a gross oversimplification of an issue that's murky at best, and one that is going to drag on for a long, long time before any sort of objective truth comes out.
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Re: Assange should man up and not run

Just for the people who cannot read properly.

Leaking information and exposing the truth = good.
Raping women (allegedly) = bad.
Running to Ecuador (excellent human rights record btw) = cowardly.
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Nigel - you should burn a poster of Khomeini and then go answer questions in Tehran. If the Iranians don't treat you right, then the world will see them for what they are...
I'm not sure comparing Sweden with Iran is particularly valid, they are chalk and cheese.
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Just for the people who cannot read properly.

Leaking information and exposing the truth = good.
Raping women (allegedly) = bad.
Running to Ecuador (excellent human rights record btw) = cowardly.
Just to be equally clear Nigel

I don't think most people have an issue with the first two.
It's the third claim that some of us find difficult to understand or support.
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Re: Assange should man up and not run

I fail to see what "standing up for what he believes in" has to do with "accused of statuatory rape".

You can make all the assumptions you like about Sweden being a puppet state of the US, but all the nerd rage in the world won't change the facts, whatever they may be. Eventually he'll go back to Sweden, and he may well be charged, or he may not.

You can worship him as a hero for bringing various themes to light, or spit on him as a self-absorbed twat only interested in his own publicity, but we have criminal justice systems for a reason. Let them work and see what happens.
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Re: Assange should man up and not run

I would prefer that somebody brought charges on him and proved that he is guilty, instead of Assange having to actively prove his innocence...

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Whether he has done anything wrong or not is not the point, he should man up and face it head on and defend himself if he claims to be innocent. I don't consider Sweden to be a puppet of the US or a particularly sinister place to have a trial.
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