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Switzerland - a negative role model

German-language weekly DER SPIEGEL runs a miniseries on the BRIC-countries. This week's edition covers Brazil and praises the development on national level as well as the huge improvement achieved in Rio, particulary with improving the quality of life in the favelas by increasing safety and orderliness . However, Rio's mayor Eduardo Paes is quoted as saying: "We do not want our city to be like Lausanne or Zurich."
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Old 30.06.2012, 13:28
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Re: Switzerland - a negative role model

Fair enough. Why should he copy other cities. Apparently there are people who dont think () that Switzerland is the most amazing country in the whole wide world
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Re: Switzerland - a negative role model

A word about the olympics...which Eduard Paes fought to get.
Just about every city that has had the Olympics has lost money not made it as a result of the games. Invariably the locals, especially the lower classes get shut out of the games....unless they participate as unpaid volunteers. Usualy the only winners are the big corporations selling official clothing etc and the hotels and restuarants for that short period during the games. Basicaly the population pays for the games and big business gets the rewards not the bill. To get the games taxes go up. It's a con.

Eduardo Paes: The 4 commandments of cities (video)

Yep I saw the video. A whole lot of words came out of his mouth that I have heard before countless times. Nothing brave at all there. Some good things have happened in Rio and Eduardo talks as though it was all his doing. 'Favelas are sometimes a solution' says Eduardo. Slums are somtimes a solution? No.

This guy would sell ice to the Eskimos if the leash is too slack.

I feel sorry for the poor Rio residents who are going to get screwed by the local government prior to the games...
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Re: Switzerland - a negative role model

I think the olympic games should be abolished. Host cities lose billions that they cannot afford and you can argue all you like about infrastructure improvements.

The games themselves are great but this is just about big money now.
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I think the olympic games should be abolished. Host cities lose billions that they cannot afford and you can argue all you like about infrastructure improvements.

The games themselves are great but this is just about big money now.
Well nobody is forced to become a host city, are they? While it is true that the cities do spend more money to host the Olympic games then they do earn directly, I think, that it is impossible to quantify the long term benefits of hosting the Olympics. It is a three week, non stop, worldwide commercial, which will make the city more widely known, and increase the value of it's brand, as the city will be associated with hosting the Olympics.

If two ore three years after the games a big multinational company moves it's headwaters to the Olympic city, who knows whether maybe the fact that it hosted the Olympics had some influence in making the city more attractive?

Of course in the case of London they do not want to build up the city's "brand", but rather sustain it.
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Re: Switzerland - a negative role model

Oh. I thought this thread was going to question the formidable powers at play here. Kinda hoping we'd look at everything from children being encouraged to push ahead of others in a queue to the social contributions / damage made by the financial system to the morally dubious stance on neutrality... but won't despair, as it is at least bashing foreigners.
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German-language weekly DER SPIEGEL runs a miniseries on the BRIC-countries. This week's edition covers Brazil and praises the development on national level as well as the huge improvement achieved in Rio, particulary with improving the quality of life in the favelas by increasing safety and orderliness . However, Rio's mayor Eduardo Paes is quoted as saying: "We do not want our city to be like Lausanne or Zurich."
Is there any correlation between the last sentence and the rest of what you write? Or am I the only one who don't get it? However, when the mayor of Bern would say: "We do not want our city to be like M'tata or Canberra". Wouldn't it be somehow helpful to know why? Which aspects? Does the mayor even know these citys? Has he visited them? Is it personal experience or stereotyping?
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Is there any correlation between the last sentence and the rest of what you write? Or am I the only one who don't get it? However, when the mayor of Bern would say: "We do not want our city to be like M'tata or Canberra". Wouldn't it be somehow helpful to know why? Which aspects? Does the mayor even know these citys? Has he visited them? Is it personal experience or stereotyping?
You did note the word 'orderliness' right before the last sentence ? In case you do not see the correlation between this and why the mayor doesn't want Rio to be like Lausanne or Zurich specifically you obviously live in Switzerland for too long already.
The article was referring to restrictions on playing soccer and BBQ'ing at the Copacabana as examples for such orderliness. Feel free to reach out to the journalist for your other suggestions (spiegel@spiegel.de), but please bear in mind that the article was not written on TheLocal.ch for a Swiss/swiss-resident audience. And neither did I post it in the Daily Life subforum.
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You did note the word 'orderliness' right before the last sentence ? In case you do not see the correlation between this and why the mayor doesn't want Rio to be like Lausanne or Zurich specifically you obviously live in Switzerland for too long already.
The article was referring to restrictions on playing soccer and BBQ'ing at the Copacabana as examples for such orderliness. Feel free to reach out to the journalist for your other suggestions (spiegel@spiegel.de), but please bear in mind that the article was not written on TheLocal.ch for a Swiss/swiss-resident audience. And neither did I post it in the Daily Life subforum.
Ok, didn't know what was written in the article. Zürich and Lausanne didn't
ask to be role models and playing soccer and BBQ'ing at the shores of Lake Zurich and Lake Geneva isn't restricted as far as I know. I too don't want that Rio becomes like Lausanne or Zurich.
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You did note the word 'orderliness' right before the last sentence ? In case you do not see the correlation between this and why the mayor doesn't want Rio to be like Lausanne or Zurich specifically you obviously live in Switzerland for too long already.
The article was referring to restrictions on playing soccer and BBQ'ing at the Copacabana as examples for such orderliness. Feel free to reach out to the journalist for your other suggestions (spiegel@spiegel.de), but please bear in mind that the article was not written on TheLocal.ch for a Swiss/swiss-resident audience. And neither did I post it in the Daily Life subforum.
So the journalist from der Spiegel wrote the thread title?
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I do not see why would Switzerland be considered a negative role model if it is only the words of someone whom I am sure is pretty biased and maybe has never even visited Switzerland
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So the journalist from der Spiegel wrote the thread title?
Well spotted - I was generalizing way too much and was misleading the audience in a totally irresponsible way: Maybe the mayor of Rio does want his city to be like Solothurn or Einsiedeln indeed. And I do agree that the journalist should have verified such highly relevant facts precisely before publishing any reference to any Swiss town in order to minimize potential ambiguities amongst the EnglishForum.
How could I possibly dare to refer to such piece of low level gutter press - tsk, tsk.
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Well spotted - I was generalizing way too much and was misleading the audience in a totally irresponsible way: Maybe the mayor of Rio does want his city to be like Solothurn or Einsiedeln indeed. And I do agree that the journalist should have verified such highly relevant facts precisely before publishing any reference to any Swiss town in order to minimize potential ambiguities amongst the EnglishForum.
How could I possibly dare to refer to such piece of low level gutter press - tsk, tsk.
If you upgrade to Süddeutsche Zeitung or Die Zeit you'll probably understand that I was referring to the "negative role model" part.
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You did note the word 'orderliness' right before the last sentence ? In case you do not see the correlation between this and why the mayor doesn't want Rio to be like Lausanne or Zurich specifically you obviously live in Switzerland for too long already.
The article was referring to restrictions on playing soccer and BBQ'ing at the Copacabana as examples for such orderliness. Feel free to reach out to the journalist for your other suggestions (spiegel@spiegel.de), but please bear in mind that the article was not written on TheLocal.ch for a Swiss/swiss-resident audience. And neither did I post it in the Daily Life subforum.
BBQing not only is done all around the Lake of Zürich, there even are two city-owned electro-grills in operation, one on the Seefeld-side and one on the Wollishofen-side. And football is played on so many places around the lake here, which shows that Rio now apparently is more restrictive even than Zürich. Leads me to say, NO, Zürich does NOT want to become another Rio de Janeiro
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I do not see why would Switzerland be considered a negative role model if it is only the words of someone whom I am sure is pretty biased and maybe has never even visited Switzerland
Ah but we don't need anyone to tell us it's a negative role model. We know it is.





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Well spotted - I was generalizing way too much and was misleading the audience in a totally irresponsible way: Maybe the mayor of Rio does want his city to be like Solothurn or Einsiedeln indeed. And I do agree that the journalist should have verified such highly relevant facts precisely before publishing any reference to any Swiss town in order to minimize potential ambiguities amongst the EnglishForum.
How could I possibly dare to refer to such piece of low level gutter press - tsk, tsk.
I am sure the worthy city-mayor wanted to say that Rio should become like Olten and Frauenfeld and Landquart but had forgotten those names
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However, Rio's mayor Eduardo Paes is quoted as saying: "We do not want our city to be like Lausanne or Zurich."
Without context, we can't know for sure what he meant. Maybe it even was a way of expressing modesty and realism by insisting on the relativity of the improvement, humble enough not to pretend they want to achieve the same standard of safety they relate to Swiss cities (right or wrong is another discussion). He might have intended to make clear that the goals of improvement are realistic and not idealistic, taking Swiss cities as a symbol for this ideal. Who knows...

But maybe you're right. Comprehension is context-based, as always.
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If you upgrade to Süddeutsche Zeitung or Die Zeit you'll probably understand that I was referring to the "negative role model" part.
Interestingly enough Die Zeit runs a full page on Brazil and Sao Paolo in this week's edition as well - and those are biiiiig pages. There is even some reference to Switzerland: A portray of the work of a Swiss architect trying to improve the favelas.
Coincidence ? I think not.
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