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At least 20 wounded in shooting at Colorado movie theater

At least 20 people were wounded in a shooting early Friday morning at a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, an area hospital official told CNN.

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guess someone didnt like the crap reviews the film has
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guess someone didnt like the crap reviews the film has
Oddly enough, Rotten Tomatoes had banned all comments for this film after death threats had been made against negative reviewers.
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Oddly enough, Rotten Tomatoes had banned all comments for this film after death threats had been made against negative reviewers.
what the hell? really?
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Oddly enough, Rotten Tomatoes had banned all comments for this film after death threats had been made against negative reviewers.
That is understandable though. Batman is real and has feelings too, you know.
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Re: At least 20 wounded in shooting at Colorado movie theater

In the wake of this tragedy, some people are saying that this could have been prevented if gun ownership was more restricted. I was wondering if it's appropriate to ask about how the Swiss handle guns. Should that be discussed here or in a different thread?
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Re: At least 20 wounded in shooting at Colorado movie theater

I can't help thinking that incidents like this one will get more and more common as long as society doesn't do a better job of integrating people that divert from the norm, and offering challenge & prospects to their youngsters.
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Re: At least 20 wounded in shooting at Colorado movie theater

At risk of sounding like an out of touch old codger, I think violent video games are partly to blame. In many you can walk through suburban environments (shopping malls) gleefully mowing people down. The Columbine killers and Anders Brevik were all 1st person shoot em up fans, the latter practising his shooting skills on a daily basis on COD.

BTW I don't see a solution, and am certainly not calling for banning. Just extra vigilance on teens who spend hours a day living in these violent virtual realities.
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At risk of sounding like an out of touch old codger, I think violent video games are partly to blame. In many you can walk through suburban environments (shopping malls) gleefully mowing people down. The Columbine killers and Anders Brevik were all 1st person shoot em up fans, the latter practising his shooting skills on a daily basis on COD.

BTW I don't see a solution, and am certainly not calling for banning. Just extra vigilance on teens who spend hours a day living in these violent virtual realities.
As someone who grew up beta-testing 8-bit atari games and living in the arcade (granted, I was a girl so I had different...wiring for lack of a better word), even I agree that the gratuitous violence in EVERYTHING these days is totally out of my realm of understanding though I do agree that it is a significant factor in many of these violent tragedies.

I think the extreme level of distraction, e.g. internet, smart phones, 24/7 connected-ness is the primary contributor. There's a weird guy at the pool who is divorced, ex-military and has his son (about 7yo I think) for a couple of weeks per year in the summer. The boy is clearly looking for attention yet what does the dad do, he plays duke nukem on a portable while his kid is in the pool and doesn't hear him when he is calling 'Dad!' for 15 minutes or more. Not that I'm suggesting that being a distracted parent results in homicidal freak...just that we're all guilty to some degree of the level of distraction that breeds and ignores these sorts of guys (and why is it always angry middle-aged middle-class white guys anyway, particularly in the serial killer genre?).

I don't have an answer either, unfortunately. Wish I did as I used to think something as simple as going to the movies was an inviolable act....
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At risk of sounding like an out of touch old codger, I think violent video games are partly to blame. In many you can walk through suburban environments (shopping malls) gleefully mowing people down. The Columbine killers and Anders Brevik were all 1st person shoot em up fans, the latter practising his shooting skills on a daily basis on COD.

BTW I don't see a solution, and am certainly not calling for banning. Just extra vigilance on teens who spend hours a day living in these violent virtual realities.
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As someone who grew up beta-testing 8-bit atari games and living in the arcade (granted, I was a girl so I had different...wiring for lack of a better word), even I agree that the gratuitous violence in EVERYTHING these days is totally out of my realm of understanding though I do agree that it is a significant factor in many of these violent tragedies.

I think the extreme level of distraction, e.g. internet, smart phones, 24/7 connected-ness is the primary contributor. There's a weird guy at the pool who is divorced, ex-military and has his son (about 7yo I think) for a couple of weeks per year in the summer. The boy is clearly looking for attention yet what does the dad do, he plays duke nukem on a portable while his kid is in the pool and doesn't hear him when he is calling 'Dad!' for 15 minutes or more. Not that I'm suggesting that being a distracted parent results in homicidal freak...just that we're all guilty to some degree of the level of distraction that breeds and ignores these sorts of guys (and why is it always angry middle-aged middle-class white guys anyway, particularly in the serial killer genre?).

I don't have an answer either, unfortunately. Wish I did as I used to think something as simple as going to the movies was an inviolable act....

I am still half-asleep and unsure if I'm reading these right and reading your intent right - but if it is as I think I am understanding, I disagree.

I *think* you are saying that the games make people violent, I don't think this is true. I DO think that people with these tendencies will gravitate toward these games though, just like my hubby would seriously jump on the chance to fight or fly on a dragon if it ever becomes possible, so, he plays games involving knight types and dragons and things like that. Which is also not to say that *everyone* who plays them has this potential to do real violence either.

What I think is that some people have a higher level of aggression and violence inside naturally. Some of them are noticed early by parents or noticed later by individuals themselves, and these energies are channeled into activities which allow for it in a safe way. Whether hunting for food or sport, taking martial arts or boxing classes, wrestling, playing contact sports, there are plenty of ways to use (and thereby diffuse) this energy.

Part of the problem is that it's not recognized as something that needs to be let off, especially these days with so many people NOT doing labor intensive work or play, inside all the time with computers. I think there are so many people my age and younger (hey, we started with games already in my pre-teen years) who never really had a good chance to find their release valve. Lucky for me, I loved to swim and through high school I was able to swim at the beach in some fairly rough (surf worthy after all!) waves and this worked off a lot of that energy for me. Too many people don't know their valve and how to release pent up steam, and it eventually explodes.


Anyhow, I don't mean to harp on this one event, I have purposefully not read much about it, as soon as they mentioned that among the injured is a 3mo baby, I simply can't. But in general, from the people I know both from within the gaming community and my non-gaming friends, this is a common theme actually. Too much energy, no good outlet.
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Old 21.07.2012, 08:29
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At risk of sounding like an out of touch old codger, I think violent video games are partly to blame. In many you can walk through suburban environments (shopping malls) gleefully mowing people down. The Columbine killers and Anders Brevik were all 1st person shoot em up fans, the latter practising his shooting skills on a daily basis on COD.

BTW I don't see a solution, and am certainly not calling for banning. Just extra vigilance on teens who spend hours a day living in these violent virtual realities.
You do sound like an old codger out of touch with reality to be honest. But it's a common theme; sensationalist media catering to uninformed individuals make it sound like video gaming was a common denominator and could therefore serve as a either a primary or secondary reason for these acts, which is of course complete nonsense.

Not only has every single serious study on the subject proven that violent video games has no long-term effect on the level of violence of individuals, but that youngsters who play these games are even less likely to commit a crime, become violent and to drop out of school. That is simply because gamers tend to be from a families with better socio-economic status, the research is not suggesting any correlation.

Second point is that a majority of male teens and young twenty somethings play these games, it is far from the violent fringe group some old people (you) think they are. So chances are that someone who has guns, has problems with society or at school, has problematic attitudes towards violence also likes to play violent video games, and not ballet. To suggest a reverse causation (that is, to claim that video games caused his fascination and subsequent ownership of guns, caused his problems at school and society, rather than the opposite) seems either very uninformed or disingenuous to me, and is often used as a scapegoat for people who don't want to discuss the obvious problems in the case, that is; how society/school/parents handled his case, how his psychiatric treatment and medication worked out for the guy (all school shooters to my knowledge were on pills) and so on... So, violent video games cause these events? Give me a break.
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Re: At least 20 wounded in shooting at Colorado movie theater

I was just thinking about the USA yesterday whilst all the tragic news from Colorado was coming in over the wire. I spent about 2 hours filling in end user certification for some aviation batteries that are licensable when exported from America due to their dual use. These batteries are used in Emergency Locator Transmitters and are, of course, completely useless at performing any other function than supplying power for their designed function.

And then you have the killer James Holmes who just purchased four guns and over 6000 rounds of ammunition in the past 60 days. ABC News quotes Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates as saying that all the weapons and rounds were owned legally by Holmes. I'm guessing that Holmes didn't have to spend 2 hours on paperwork to acquire his domestic arsenal.

The point being that whilst many Americans defend their inalienable right to bear arms, their law makers are trying to police the world to make it a "safer place to be". It's about time that this two-faced bullshit self denial crap about owning weapons in the USA stopped. How much more blood needs to flow down theater aisles and across school yards before someone has the balls to stand up and defend the basic rights of American citizens and takes weapons out of the hands of psychos? There's no point fielding the biggest military machine in the world and enforcing your foreign policy in some distant sandpit when crazed lunatics are gunning down your children at home America.
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I was just thinking about the USA yesterday whilst all the tragic news from Colorado was coming in over the wire. I spent about 2 hours filling in end user certification for some aviation batteries that are licensable when exported from America due to their dual use. These batteries are used in Emergency Locator Transmitters and are, of course, completely useless at performing any other function than supplying power for their designed function.

And then you have the killer James Holmes who just purchased four guns and over 6000 rounds of ammunition in the past 60 days. ABC News quotes Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates as saying that all the weapons and rounds were owned legally by Holmes. I'm guessing that Holmes didn't have to spend 2 hours on paperwork to acquire his domestic arsenal.

The point being that whilst many Americans defend their inalienable right to bear arms, their law makers are trying to police the world to make it a "safer place to be". It's about time that this two-faced bullshit self denial crap about owning weapons in the USA stopped. How much more blood needs to flow down theater aisles and across school yards before someone has the balls to stand up and defend the try rights of American citizens and takes weapons out of the hands of psychos? There's no point fielding the biggest military machine in the world and enforcing your foreign policy in some distant sandpit when crazed lunatics are gunning down your children at home America.
100% agree with everything you write, but the right to bear arms will NEVER change in the US due to the (i'm sorry to say) oversimplistic view of most of the population about what is important ("Guns, Gays and God" plus Roe v Wade) and nobody that expresses a strong opinion about any of those will EVER be elected given the polarised state of the media and Senate/Congress on such matters.

And whilst there is a "get out" for people eg that it is never the Good Ol Boys from the Redneck states who go and do these things, but well edcuated metropolitan types, people will always be able to rationalise this as "guns don't kill, people do"

Deeply depressing, and another reason (alongside rendition and similar recent issues) that Americas claim to be some sort of beacon of civilisation is redundant and inaccurate
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Excellent post, caviarchips.
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I was wondering if it's appropriate to ask about how the Swiss handle guns. Should that be discussed here or in a different thread?
Oh, please, not again. We discussed that topic ad nauseam a little more than a year ago before the Swiss voted on an initiative to restrict gun ownership. The initiative was defeated by a sound margin, BTW.
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Excellent post, caviarchips.
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People from most other parts of the industrialized world find the American proliferation of guns shocking, but, really, they have no idea. Even most Americans don’t know that Congress has, in recent years, refused to consider laws that would ban the sale of assault weapons capable of firing 100 bullets without reloading, and declined to allow the attorney general to restrict people on the terrorist watch list from purchasing weapons.
Anybody that argues that the US has a functioning political system has their head in the sand
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Anybody that argues that the US has a functioning political system has their head in the sand
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guess someone didnt like the crap reviews the film has
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I actually believe that people should have guns. And also not be restricted to non-automatic weapons.

Guns put power literally into the hands of the people and an armed and trained population is a good check on democracy.
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